i'll start off with you tonight, grover. a full-time 40-hour a week worker making $7.25 an hour taking two weeks off for vacation, that's $14,500 a year. do you think that's a fair wage? >> look, we have a real problem here. there are a million people fewer working today than when obama took office. we've got a lot of jobs that have been lost. we need not only good starting jobs, but the opportunity to move forward, which is why if you can get a job and hold it and move up the scale, that's very important. we need both economic growth and job opportunities. that's where the present economy is failing the american people. we're not creating the jobs we need to. >> but, grover -- >> fewer american people working today than when obama took over. >> i don't want to play politics here. >> that's a number. >> do you think this is a fair wage? can people live on $7.25 an hour? >> well, i don't expect people work for $7 an hour for all of their lives. it is a better job opening, a first job than no job at all. i suppose $7 is better

here now is grover norquist, founder of americans for tax reform. happy new year, grover.r coming on. the "wall street journal" calls this a large new tax on small businesses. but it really is going to have a big ripple effect, is it not? >> absolutely. there are 20 different taxes in obamacare. 16 of them have already taken effect. tanning taxes. taxes on charitable hospitals. on medical devices. those sorts of things. the taxes on higher-income people. the taxes on investment income. a whole bunch of taxes. there are three that hit this year. two of them the president's been sort of delaying or promising to delay. those are the sort of specific taxes on individuals and businesses not buying insurance. the thrd one hits insurance companies. now, if you can imagine, your insurance is going to go up maybe as much as 2% in terms of cost or $100 billion over the next ten years because of these taxes on insurance companies. and it's targeted because of the regulations that obama's team has put together on smaller businesses. the national federation of independent business esti

grover, it is great to have you here.oing to talk irs in just a second, but first i want to get you to, well, some comments from the speaker of the house, john boehner. he was pretty critical of your organition and some others. here's what he had to say recently. >> they pushed us into this fight to defund obamacare and to shutdown the government. most of you know, my members know that wasn't exactly the strategy that i had in mind. but if you'll recall the day before the government reopened, one of the people, one of these groups stood up and said, well, we never really thought it would work. are you kidding me? gerri: what do you say to that? [laughter] >> well, look, we're moving forward on protecting the sequester, and just for the record, he wasn't criticizing my group. we didn't endorse the defund-only strategy. but what boehner's put together and the deal that was just put through the house protects the sequester for the next decad what people, i think, were not aware of is that there was very real pressure on the

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as far as i know that's it go back to eighteen eighty seven and read grover norquist grow excuse me grover cleveland's president grover cliff in one thousand nine hundred seven his state of the union address he talks about you know money and politics because this was the year after the santa clara county versus of the pacific railroad case and he says you know corporations which should be the carefully restrained servants of the people have become their masters there is now an iron boot upon the heel of the average working man c.t. seven well it's come around again f.d.r. pushed that boot off for about forty fifty years and now it's back down on again and because of money and so many of those these five guys in the supreme court came up with this bizarre idea that has never before been proposed that corporations are not legal fictions that they are somehow people entitle to protection under the law equal to that of human beings under the fourteenth amendment fourteenth amount why the way it was put into place in the eighteenth sixty's eighteen sixty eight as i recall to free the slaves aft

stuart: what do you say, grover, are you a flat tax guy?l and economic advice from actors and i think this is the place to look. it is a good step in the right direction. the rate is too high. we need to take it down, but to move toward a single rate tax so we have transparency and everybody knows what they are paying and what the kennedy kids are paying i think you will have a much greater sense of fairness of everybody's paying the same rate, and i grew up in massachusetts, constitution massachusetts is a flat-rate income tax so everybody knows exactly what they are paying five times the people of massachusetts liberal blue democrats have voted down moving to a progressive or graduating income tax. there's a lot of support for flat-rate income tax, we need to get there. stuart: you should have told us. >> immigrated to the united states when i was young. stuart: monday morning, a little slow. i got there in the end. question, what happens to malls when companies like sears go belly up if ever do? will they turn into amazon like shipping c

that leads to inability in our country. >> grover's coming on. >> i hate to miss grover.nced deal, i know. >> when you get a chance to watch me and him, you'll understand i'm bipartisan. >> you go after all of us. >> absolutely. >> let me tell you what i tell the press. they say they're 9%, 10%, 11% of the people that think congress is worth a darn. i say, i want to find those 10% and tell them what's going on. >> if stan and jeff come down, these are numbers, hard numbers and understand what's happening specifically. i think it would be illuminating for you all to understand why we need entitlement reform badly. >> they don't need to convince me. for the last 2 1/2 years, right, becky? >> this has been a message very consistent on. we appreciate it. >> i'm glad i came on your program. >> you're the guest. >> steny, thank you very much for joining us and spending extra time with us. >> appreciate it very much. >> again, steny hoyer. >>> let's continue this conversation. joining us now is grover norquist. grover, i'm sure that you heard a lot of this conversation that we'v

. >> right after that, we had grover cleveland. >> that would be incredible. >> whoa, you heard grover cleveland? >> i meant grover norquist. >> was he any good? i don't know if he was a good president or not. do you know, john? >> well, he -- you remember he was targeted for some of his extra marital activities. >> oh, my god, that's unheard of. we know super grover from sesame street. >> the thing that struck me, grover norquist, was that he would be willing to take these higher fees with his revenue, taxes, in the past, taxes are taxes and revenue he wouldn't go along with. when he said that yesterday, i thought, this is something. >> it's not technically taxes. it's airline fees, it's asking pensioners to pay more. >> do the airlines have the largest lobbyists in the world? >> they have a lousy lobby and everybody hates them. but consumers will cover that, anyway. it's going to get passed through the price of airline tickets. >> our own larry kudlow on television last night said ronald reagan believed in user fees. >> he did. >> and they're not taxes. you'll see folks like heritage

america's strong voice was first heard in 1895 when no-nonsense president grover cleveland threatened a military action against britain and venezuela if they did not settle their south american differences. he condemned them both for the defiance of the monroe doctrine. the sleeping giant had stirred, and it shocked the world's full notice. the second and, of course, most powerful event was that sword-swinging spanish-american war in 1898. john hay, then ambassador to st. james, our splendid little war, and that conflict sent america into possession of the philippines and other parts of the south pacific and into a land war with spain and cuba. when the smoke cleared, the united states could at last call itself an international power and world power, even if the latter would not be tested until the great war. president william mckinley, in leading the nation into war, had taken the power of the president is si to the high and independent level it had not known since george washington held the office. chief executive, now faded into the past, mckinley changed america, and had he lived,

. >> caylee brought up costs, grover, it feels like every day that number gets higher and higher. we have 677 million spent on the federal web site, 4.5 billion, given to the state exchanges to go do their thing. in oregon, about $155 million. -- minnesota i'm sorry, of federal money that was what person was fired for. attsome point, you know, if you shop lift 20 bucks you go to jail, they are waving millions, and billions, and not losing their pensions. charles: that is it, they are not getting fired, there has to be some political ramification for this? >> specially at the national level, a huge criticism of this president throughout all this. throughout a lot of his administration, he has been unwilling to fire people, at before the he forces them to resign, prominent example i can think of, is general who spoke not so kind things about the president in rolling stone in his first term, that was the last big firing, a special case. charles: it was. to this whole thing, sebelius is there, she has been insulated somewhat with open bar asking moments, site crashing on her. why do w

it is doing stuff because it is in the business -- er grover said that -- hoov said that. >> i hate toay this, but we will wrap up 25 years of "inside washington" next. >> let me set the record straight. tip o'neill called bob and said we have to do something. the minute they found out. let me finish. >> there you are. greeknside washington" chorus spreading enlightenment several years ago. no hedging. who will be the next president? >> i do not think there is any way to answer that. are you going to fire me? it is a little late. i want to say something to our viewers. it has been a wonderful time. when the presidential campaign was heating up with gennifer flowers in 1992, that is when i began on "inside washington" when a guy named gordon peterson took a risk on me and made me "the girl." i have had such a wonderful time with my brothers in crime here. i assume this is not the last time i will be on television, but i feel a special connection to the viewers so i wanted to use my time to say that i wish you all the best in this wonderful new year. >> if we're going to get sentimental,

america's strong voice was first heard in 1985 when no-nonsense president grover cleat clevelan threatened against venezuela if it hadn't settled the differences. he condemned them both for the science of the monroe doctrine. the sleeping giant had stirred and shocked the world in full notice. the second and of course most powerful event was that sword swinging the spanish-american war in 1988. the ambassador called it a splendid little war and that sent america into the position of the philippines and other parts of the pacific and into the land war with spain and cuba. when the smoke cleared the united states could call itself an international power and world power even if the latter wouldn't be tested until the great war. president william mckinley fleeting of the nation into the war had taken the power of the presidency to the high end dependent level it hadn't known since washington held the office. the chief executives now faded into the past and change america. had he lived with a crowd of the season empirically that he didn't finish the second term. yet he was assassinated. in the

argument and and i don't think people should be elected and in compromise to be elected you know grover cleveland had a great quote once he says what is it worth if you're elected and reelected and you don't stand for anything so you know the argument is is get elected first get elected say what you have to say bring people together you know do whatever is necessary to get elected because if you don't get elected you can't do any good so i don't buy into that i think you have to believe in something and just getting elected if you don't believe anything you'll end up having a government like we have today that's what they do all the time as soon as they are elected they're worried about the next election so i want people to believe in something and i want to people who know what it is and then have a fair and square election over it what is the wrong paul channel. well this is something we're doing on the internet it's an outgrowth of what i've been doing and over the years i've always had some vehicle as far back as one thousand nine hundred four in and out of politics but you know dur

and grover norrequisite has talked about this. he basically said he wasn't in -- norquist has talked about this. it's going to be close. >> brad, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. >> he's from the washington post and joining us from washington, good to talk to you. >>> a brutal mix of ice, snow and bitter cold has become a really deadly mix from coast to coast right now. travel is dangerous. and if you have booked a flight you may want to call ahead before you get to the airport. chances are it would be a good bet. let's get a check on the weather system now with meteorologist dave warren. dave. >> yeah, it looks like the weather system is really holding together. it's moved out, we're getting a break between system, the pattern is really the same. we could first see this winter weather developing across the northern plains. this is the actual temperature but when you factor in the wind speed i.t. goes to 20 below, fargo, north dakota is 21 below. there might not be a lot of snowfall but a blizzard warning, decreased

and when young fdr was four or five years old, he was taken by his father to the warehouse to meet grover cleveland the first democratic president since the civil war. not one that anybody could have the and proud of. to say i have one wish for you that you will never become president of united states. [laughter] he was be set by all sorts of political troubles. roosevelt had no ambition but suddenly theodore roosevelt became president. he was running for vice president, and mckinley was shot in the theater became president. the first entry into politics the young franklin made was he joined the young republican club as a freshman and did the campaign for cousin ted. he stayed with the young republicans just long enough for roosevelt to be elected. he was reasonably close and when roosevelt was about to be married to his fifth cousin he was close letter -- closer related to a theater than eleanor. he offered to have them buried in the white house. faber rejected that idea and were not married in the white house but roosevelt admirers theodore roosevelt very much. he was the domestic refor

i'm joel grover. >>> right now at 5:00, a cruise ship trapped in ice off the coast of antarctica. >> maryland man in pakistan pleads to be rescued. >>> good evening, i'm richard jordan. >> i'm pat lawson muse. developing story in northwest washington right now where a body is turned up on the scene of a fire. the blaze broke out this afternoon in the basement of a home in the 1600 block of beakman place. it took 20 minutes to put the flames out. inside they found someone. the victim has not been identified. we hav

grover wilson? >> is obama that good looking? >> i think he is handsome. >> i am not that into black guys. >> great, thank you very much. >> okay. >> but he is half black. you could be into him, apparently, racist. >> we always have our ideal. remember when we were going up it was a david cassidy and bobbie sherman. but the guys with the long hair, they were like feminine men. girls would walk around with these boys on their lunch boxes. some boys would too. that was the male ideal. the thing is for piers morgan, obama is his male ideal. to piers morgan, obama is like on a lunch box. when he sees obama in his head he sees a montage of obama signing bills and playing on a lunch box. >> it is like my lunch box was peanuts. >> i was sean cassidy. andy, do you think his weight is going to be an issue? they are super official. superficial. >> there are two issues here. i think piers called the president a specimen. i think given the history of how black people were treated, i think it is straight up racist. piers morgan, you owe ameri

i'm joel grover. >>> right now at 5:00, a cruise ship trapped in ice off the coast of antarctica. >> a maryland man in pakistan pleads to be rescued. >>> good evening, i'm richard jordan. >> i'm pat lawson muse. developing story in northwest washington right now where a body is turned up on the scene of a fire. the blaze broke out this afternoon in the basement of a home in the 1600 block of beakman place. it took 20 minutes to put the flames out. inside they found someone. the victim has not been identified. we have a crew working on the scene. we'll have a live update for you in a few minutes. >>> no word on what sparked this fire at a home on m street in southeast d.c. it began on the second floor and spread through the attic. one man managed to get out. >>> christmas chaos at two of the nation's biggest shippers. >> tonight, u.p.s. and fedex are scrambling to get service back on schedule. fedex calls the incidents isolated. they made deliveries on christmas. some say their packages were declared delivered, but they weren't. amazon is offering shipping refunds and $20 gift cards w

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weighing in on this issue in this weeks cq weekly is grover norquist. let's hear from brian in schaumburg, illinois. to governors make better presidents? caller: i would say no. i think that is a false qualification. look at lincoln, eisenhower. i like the first bush, but i think it is a bad idea. i always had a lot of bad parties.ns on ♪ in both the other lady called president bush a bad president. i would also nominate governor clinton who became president. he did a lot of bad things that hurt the average working man. go back to that list of the last five governors to serve as president. bush, bill clinton, ronald reagan, jimmy carter and franklin roosevelt. all except jimmy carter served in two terms. case three t's terms. does it mean anything that they were elected to more than one term? caller: george w. bush won by a hair. i stand by my point. i do think you have to be governor to be president area and abraham lincoln was one of our best ever paged white eisenhower was fantastic terry and he negotiated the world after world war ii. the cold war w

cleveland, who whuz much younger than grover cleveland had lived in prince ton. so she was there.and there was edith and that's truman. i don't know if eleanor roosevelt was there. they tried to have them all. but there's a president of president truman with these three first ladies. yeah. >> i know that ellen wilson had to entertain theodore roosevelt at an army-navy game when woodrow was president of prince ton. and she did contact frances cleveland for advice on how to entertain ex-presidents. > did she go back to the white house? > who? > edith. did she ever go back to the white house again? >> i don't know. >> with the kennedys. >> yeah. >> and i think with the roosevelts. >> one thing i thought was very interesting is that when fdr went to congress on september 8 the day after the bombing at pearl harbor, he invited edith wilson to come and sit in the gallery as she had sat in the gallery when wood row wilson called for war in the first world war. >> your question? >> i have a question here about the president's illness when edith was covering up or not letting the nation kn

. >> grover norquist, ne newt ginh have been in favor of incarceration reform.rather smart on crime. >> there is this white sort of privilege that a lot of white people have. i probably have it as well growing up. that the assumption that the police are there to help you, which i don't think is the same assumption that it sounds like you were given from your dad early on. the assumption was they weren't there to help you. the assumption the store is -- i think if white people started to be sort of stopped and questioned as aggressively in department stores, there would be a greater level of outrage among the shopping population. >> when guy shopping, i know they need to dress up, i need to wear my little status purse so that i'm treated at least like the average customer. >> which is insane. >> in that store. i was also taught like hill to stand up for myself. my parents said if this happens to you you go to management. you go to h.r. and you say exactly who was treating you this way. and i have done that. and i've gone back to the store and seen that person get

groups like grover norquist club for growth.nd not going after democrats, primarying their own team. and there are a lot of members who have been governing in terror because they've been forced to do things like go for the government shutdown. they've h the senate, people like ted cruz telling them what to do. i think there's been a lot of frustration boiling up in the caucus. when you hear the speaker voicing that kind of frustration, that's also coming up to him from other members who are saying i got to go home and tell people at re-election time that i've done something. >> let's take a look. other republican leaders asked the question back him up or go after him? here's what paul ryan told a wisconsin radio station. by the way, here he is talking back home which is important. here he is not exactly backing up his leader. >> i don't think it's that serious. i think john got -- his emotions got ahead of him a little bit. i credit the tea party with helping us get our mojo back. getting conservativism back in the party. >> her

these guys, these athletes, grover what happened. this is what entitlements sounds like. these guys gang raped his girl and one of them got worried and said to the other one, you know, we can get in trouble for this. like yap. the other one said, don't worry about it. the cuts will take care of this. and what is the coach to? that day he immediately did exactly what this guy said, questioned why the girl was there, when she was wearing, she was drinking, whether she had led them on. >> we have had several. >> so how they deal with this terrific response by cuts? a rehire and. we are not talking about steubenville to, now we're talking about rallying behind the coach who runs interference for the players. that is what entitlements sounds like. this football player was right. he was entitled to read everything worked out as he expected would be read so my feeling is that that is what i want to interrupt. >> it seemed to be a slightly different point and the one in the rest of the books because those can enter the agreement that limits. that is the more real phenomenon than

thanks to our guest, grover norquist, who will run it down for us. you ask the richest people in america for donations for the church while the pope is criticizing the very

and grover dill.bute the movie's tremendous staying power to its fundamental message. >> it's all about family. and family values. >> it was assured reality that grandparents, parents and children all enjoy together. >> reporter: fun facts, the snow and the film's theme in cleveland was really potato's. ian's audition to get the role of randy, was just sitting down to an impromptu meal. >> okay, eat like a piggy. okay, you're randy. >> reporter: and what of that iconic tongue scene? >> it was a real pole. over it, they put a plastic pole, with a little hole they put in it, with a suction tube and a vacuum. and stuck, we were. >> reporter: most films diminishes, in "a christmas story's" case, it soars. there's christmas story conventions. "christmas story" merchandise. leg lamp anyone? >> are you a bunny? >> reporter: and "a christmas story" musical, now in its second hit here in new york. while in cleveland, at the house where it all began, there are tours. >> the story value keeps on connecting to ev

host: grover norquist, good for the republican party or not? guest: everyone is good for the party and has an agitation towards whatever you are trying to accomplish. when they are not good is when they take the ball and go home. and use it to raise money. that is what john boehner was saying. when all you are doing is trying to be different in order to send out any not last -- to send an email blast to your constituency saying there they go, send me $25. i have seen those letters. i smile when i do. they are not part of any process to fix anything, they are raising a lot of money to pad offices in washington. that is what john boehner was saying. be part of the process to fix things not to raise money. host: jeff, el paso, independent line. caller: good morning. mr. nussle, i am curious. are you still living in iowa or do you live in washington? guest: i live in washington. host: why do you ask? caller: as an independent former republican, not a member of the tea party i found your comment that characterized tea party republicans as antigovern

this is grover from "sesame street." do you know the way to "fox & friends"?d. guess what? we have a deal in washington. for the first time in years, there is actually budget. they went into conference, the house passed a budget, the senate did, and they came up with it. i was snot astonished to see the president of the united states took credit for it. under my direction, i told them to come up with a budget, so they did. is either side happy? no. does it show titanic switching of the tax system in order to balance the budget? no. does it reinvigorate the pentagon? no. but do they agree to at least finance for the next two years? yes. >> here is essentially what it is. no government shutdown. no tax increases. no incentives for people not to work and some modest entitlement reform as well. but the key is it does avoid a shutdown, which will keep the republicans focused on the affordable care act, also known as obamacare, which is not working. paul ryan says there are a number of people on the other side of the aisle. they wanted to shut things down. >> i thin

one of a handful of house republicans who refused to sign river norquist' --grover norquist's pledgeever to raise taxes. as we noted, those qualities have made mr. wolf a standout among a sharply diminishing breed of legislators in congress whose independence and problem solving outweigh their partisanship. that is the real test of leadership and mr. wolf has met it. "hat in "the washington post about frank wolf deciding to retire. the "richmond times dispatch" has that on their front page. wolf will not seek reelection in 2014. that from the "richmond times dispatch." your thoughts on whether or not congress reflects your views. start dialing in. we will take comments on twitter, @cspanwj. you can post comments on facebook.com as well. facebook.com/cspan. post," "the washington frank wolf to retire after 17 terms. the seat will be a prime battleground in 2014. on twitter yesterday, the campaign arms for the house and the senate weighed in. about jimweeted this matheson in utah. uld rather retire than face angry voters and obamacare backlash in 2014, bad news for dccc." dccc tweeted

host: grover norquist, good for the republican party or not?st: everyone is good for the party and has an agitation towards whatever you are trying to accomplish. when they are not good is when they take the ball and go home. and use it to raise money. that is what john boehner was saying. when all you are doing is trying to be different in order to send out any not last -- to send an email blast to your constituency saying there they go, send me $25. i have seen those letters. i smile when i do. process not part of any to fix anything, they are raising a lot of money to pad offices in washington. that is what john boehner was saying. be part of the process to fix things, not to raise money. host: jeff, el paso, independent line. caller: good morning. mr. nussle, i am curious. are you still living in iowa or do you live in washington? guest: i live in washington. host: why do you ask? an independent former republican, not a member of the tea party, i found your comment that characterized tea party republicans as antigovernment as opposed to bei

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