our guests, two familiar faces to c-span viewers, grover norquist of americans for tax reform and laura murphy of the american civil liberties union. they are not on opposite sides on this issue, they have teamed up. laura murphy, what is this group that you've formed called digital fourth? >> guest: it's a combination of think tanks, advocacy organization toes, major internet service providers like google, yahoo!, at&t. it's a group of interested people who want changes in our electronic communications privacy laws. and we need to update those laws. the last time the electronics communications privacy act was updated was in 1986, and a lot has changed since then. >> host: grover norquist, what kind of access do law enforcement officials, the government, have to our e-mails right now? >> guest: it's not traded as if it's regular snail mail. they can go into it if it's been parked with a third party, put in the cloud. what we need to do is just update the law to go alongside the changes in technology instead of sending each other letters, we send each other e-mail. instead of keeping you

. >> next on c-span, "the communicators" discusses electronic privacy with grover norquist and laura murphy. series.r "first ladies" fourth amendment reads the right of people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched. this is "the communicators." our guests are grover norquist of american tax reform and laura murphy of the american civil liberties. they have teamed up. laura murphy, what is this group you have formed? >> it is a combination of think tanks and advocacy organizations and major internet service providers like google and yahoo and at&t. it is a group of interested people who want changes in our electronic medications privacy ions privacyuniat law. we need to updated. the last time the electronic communications privacy act was updated was in 1986. a lot has changed. does theind of access government have to our e-mails today? >> right now it is not t

"ann coulter and grover norquist are about to debate the immigration. norquist says immigration will booster the economy, coulter does not agree. >>> and it was also a major sell-off today in gold. gold down almost 90 bucks and still falling. okay, you don't need gold because there's in end to world trade. u.s. energy independence, an end to bury gold. we'll get to that in a few minutes. >>> and new information in the kpmg trading scandal. jane wells diving deeper into the criminal complaint. we'll take a look at what the risks are for kpmg. will the big four strangle hold on the account industry be broken up? "kudlow report" begins right now. first up this evening, the senate's bipartisan group of aid says it plans to reveal the long-awaited immigration reform bill next tuesday. this is a bill that in national review reporter betty woodrow dubbed grover versus the bitter enders. grover norquist believes the immigration reform will boost economic growth and slash our budget deficits. all right. now from washington, the aforementioned grover norquist and

connell: grover norquist, as always, thank you. >> good to be with you.onnell: jackson hewitt chief tax officer will be on with cheryl and dennis and the next hour of markets now. for japanese automakers are recalling nearly 3.5 million vehicles. the airbags are at risk of catching fire. they were all manufactured in or after the year 2000. no injuries or deaths have been reported as a result of that. let's take a look at toyota motor shares. actually, along with stocks in general. let's talk a little bit about this bitcoin. look at this drop. the underground currently with a hit yesterday. $120 is where it is trading. the major online exchange claims it is having such a massive following. the online exchange is having exploding volume. they said it led to some panic selling. bitcoin. another denial of service attacks. we talked about some of the risks here. tomorrow, the bitcoin business, we will be here in new york at a lounge and restaurant called ever. one of the first restaurant that except bitcoin. tablets and smart phones killing the demand for per

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the commander in chief of the anti-tax party, grover norquist, leads every republican in the constantthe united states is just drowning in taxation, that we can't possibly be competitive in the world with such a harsh tax burden weighing down on this country. these are the very same people who you've just seen in the last two days worshipping at the feet of margaret thatcher. many of them say she was even stronger and tougher than their much mythologized ronald reagan. as i reported here last night in a segment that was misunderstood by some as praise for margaret thatcher, thatcher was a fiscal conservative by british standards, but there are two areas in which she stood far to the left of any american president and any american politician of her time or our time. she preserved a top income tax rate of 60% for 10 of her 11 years in office. that's 20 points higher than the top income tax rate under president clinton and now under president obama. that is a very liberal top income tax rate by american standards. she raised taxes on lower incomes and then she doubled the national sales

. >> michael: we talked a lot on this show about grover norquist and his group. book you talk about the intense competition brewing between norquist and a lesser known, weyrich lunch. what is the weyrich lunch, and how have we seen their influence so far? >> there are competing factions there are tensions within the party, and the move in the last four years by conservatives to embrace this type of libertarian, tea partiesque strategy, has ruffled a lot of fteers, because there has been this alliance between social conservatives and big business republicans, trading issues but maintaining a very neat coalition. that started falling apart in 2008. and as lib tarns move -- libertarians moved in to seize control of the movement and you see that from grover norquist and they have a once a week meeting where they get together to plot strategy and messaging. social conservatives their faction has really shrunk in the republican party and they started boosting efforts, and you see this competing lunch also on wednesday. some are kind of disastrous but trying to take bac

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someone said the of the grover norquist may be the most powerful person in america. the new pledge he has held canada is to. he has held candidates -- the new pledge he has held the new candidates to is keeping millions -- it has a role to play in a country rich in the land grant colleges, highways, bridges. i understand the bridge out here is about to be built. i am all for infrastructure. >> obama in a way has to be the luckiest politician. if you look at the republican lineup -- [laughter] it is like michael dukakis in an oversized tank hat. >> the idea that newt gingrich is now at the top of the heap. >> you do not want to be the top because they get shot out. >> it is seems like anybody but romney. >> herman cain is a breath of fresh air. [laughter] >> i am not going to reassess him as he reassesses his campaign. >> herman cain is fabulous. >> newt gingrich -- i am going to get serious on you. newt gingrich is an error lobbyist -- uber lobbyist. barney frank talk about michele bachmann. he also called out newt gingrich and said he held him responsible for the de

grover norquist had this to say about the president's budget today. >> if the president actually wantedo pass anything in his budget, he would have lined up the democrat votes in the senate first. it's just for show. he didn't actually write a budget he plans to work with. >> howard fineman, this is a very interesting point that grover norquist just brought up. rachel raised this last night. is he serious about this budget? is this some kind of political pot-stirring and not really attempting to legislate? >> i think he's serious enough about it as a way to drive the republicans crazy. >> it's working! >> which is working. because the republicans like to talk about how they want to, you know, really approach this big behemoth of entitlement reform. but they don't really -- they can't decide whether they really want to do it or don't want to do it. don't forget, ronald reagan back in the day exempted social security and medicare. george w. bush expanded medicare. the republicans prospered in 2010, not just because of the tea party, but because they ran on the notion that barack obama wan

grover norquist, a frequent guest on this program, famously said he wanted to shrink the government down the point where he could drown it in a bathtub. two days before the bombings in boston he spoke at a tea party rally on boston common. >> on the central issue that moves our vote, we want the government to leave us alone. >> obviously norquist and anyone else at the rally couldn't foresee the events of monday but shows what a different time we seem to be living in just two weeks ago as the debate over smaller government raged on and in the aftermath of the bombings, government didn't leave boston alone. thousands of law enforcement officers from every level of government descended on that city, the unprecedented manhunt shut down much of the metro area, residents were told to stay home, stay inside but the show of force worked. four days after the bombings, one suspect was dead, another was in custody. cnn contributor republican start gist anna in a var row is back with us and ben barber. polls show americans tend to favor a smaller federal government, can you have both? >> i think yo

because it's not true no it's a mistake in the money case but as mr mansion mentioned he came to grover norquist meeting this morning to make his last minute pitch begging people to see the value of his initiative it's a terrible idea and precisely because it's a terrible idea the numbers were not there mark it's a terrible idea to simply make sure that before somebody buys a device that's principal purpose is to kill things or people that they are not that they have documented domestic violence they're not mentally ill and they don't have a prison record well that's not exactly what this would do the loophole has been overblown i think eighty ninety percent i think that's what polling that gives a very broad to question it doesn't ask about specifics just said are you for this you not for this this would lead to a national registry this is a good vote them out of no not in there at all no no it's not there and the president has it in a sense president said not only is it not in there but the people who say it's in there are lying and use the word lie slippery slope who won today i think it's a

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said that you guys want to increase revenue and we were absolutely positively never because of grover norquist and other lobbyist increase revenue and obama said that we won't and he won't agree with you either we want that's not your president and only trying to present propose a trillion dollars in cuts to the cost of this and cuts in spending and not have republicans already and whatever we do with the second hold i'm going to have a hard time with you just you just got the big nugget here you said a trillion dollars in cuts of what was the sequester this year how much did that cause the president already put there's already been a trillion dollars i started a trillion in the budget this year but yet here we go we cry that the roof is falling it look this all these people are going to be fired but guess what obama found a way to save all the customs and border patrol agents obama from the way to save all the food people that were going to be cut their meat was can be contaminated obama found the way to keep the forty radiation from occurring since that was supposed to happen today the suppl

good seeing you again, grover norquist. in the wake of the terror attacks on the u.s., ron paul is saying be careful about opening up the government spigots to spend on security. it's not as if we don't have enough money going to security. he says it's probably a better case of not going to the right place. ron rand paul, my special guest tonight. see you then. . [ male announcer ] extreme power. ultimate savings. get both now at your polaris dealer during the xp sales event. rebates up to $1,000 and financing as low as 2.99% on the world's best powersports li-up. incredible deals on hard-working rangers, smooth-riding sportsmen, and razor-sharp rzrs. hurry to your local polaris dealer for rebates up to $1,000 and financing as low as 2.99% during the polaris xp sales event.

i want to thank our chamber and grover norquist. this is why we will succeed. it is because of this broad bass and dedicated legislation. -- base and dedicated. >> they are the wind beneath our wings. >> can you justify adding more people to the work force with millions of unemploymented. >> when unemployment is above a certain level it will come at a time when unemployment is low. in each case, every one of suss mindful of this, anyone who wants to bring in a new worker has to look for an american worker and advertise for an american worker. >> can you give us an idea on where you anticipate the biggest challenge in selling this to your colleagues? >> one word that underlines this proposal is balance. there are things for almost everyone to like in this bill and there are some things that each person will not like. when you put it all together for a vast majority of people across a spectrum there's much more to like than not like. that's how i think we'll get it done. what is going to make it successful more than anything else is the need to solve the problem

so with that, i'll turn it over to grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. again you can find all these at www.atr.org. >> thank you. you cannot change the world without handouts. i wanted to make sure everyone had that. great information either here in the room or online at atr.org. this is the 100th tax a press conference. some of us were here at the first one, but in 1913 some idiot thought this would be a good idea. and when it first for the income tax in, the top rate was 7%. they went from a low of one up to seven. today of course the lowest rate is 10%. and to get into the 7% bracket back when i first thought of this income tax you had to be making in today's dollars $11 million, put you at 7% today for a lot less you can be paying a 10% marginal tax rate. .. and the democrats in the senate have a budget with one-half trillion dollars increase over the next decade and the president, obama, has one minute trillion, not only are we being hit over the next ten years, starting now with a massive set of tax increases, we are threatened with new ones. today

grover norquist from americans for tax reform. senator bernie sanders a good discussion.e we'll continue because these are critically important issues for millions and millions of americans. thanks to both of you for coming in. >> thank you. >>> one of president obama's senior advisers is standing by. dan pfeiffer is over at the white house. i'll ask him about this opposition to the president's proposed cuts to social security. the opposition coming in from democrats and republicans. stand by. # was gone for so long... ...but he'd wait for her forever and always be there with the biggest welcome home. for a love this strong, dawn only feeds him iams. compared to other leading brands, it has 50% more animal protein. ...to help keep his body as strong as a love that never fades. iams. keep love strong. now you can keep love fun with new shakeables meaty treats. . >>> we're following the dramatic breaking news from washington up on capitol hill today. the united states congressman said point blank that north korea in his words may have nuclear weapons that could be delivered

the other side, we had newt gingrich's top policy reading a two-page endorsement from his boss, grover norquist in the flesh and the head of the largest prison guard union. when you have that sort of people who, at the end of the day, believe in their ideas and willing to fight for their ideas, you can get through almost any obstacle. you have to be willing to put pressure on the middle because the folks in the middle like the democratic party who say i don't want to be portrayed as soft on crime. so i know what's right but i'm going to wrestle with my conscience and by god i'm going to win. i won't do it at any cost. those are the folks we push out of the way. look, it is time to man up and woman up. time to just say darn it. this is the right thing. we're going to do it because it is about people's families. what we've seen in the last 20 years is the numbers skyrocket. when mom goes to prison, kids go to foster care. they don't get out until mom is home from prison and finds a job. finding a job when you have a felony record is very hard. >> john: it is smart patriotic, moral. how can people

when you have grover norquist out there strongly testifying for a bill and citing ronald reagan sittinga hill, i think you've got a pretty strong effort going forward with this bill. guns came up -- >> let me just you about that, senator grassley was raising all sorts of issues with in a follow tanno yet. is there any concern that boston will be a setback, slowing it down? >> clear it's it's been raised by senator grassley and others, but i think it's interesting what's happened. we've seen boston come together, one terrorist killed, the other arrested. we've also seen a number of other voices. yesterday speaker boehner and congressman ryan came out and said this is not a reason to delay the immigration bill in going forward. this is actually a reason to speed it up and have it go forward. we all know the sim has been broken, there's security issues. look what happened with the terrorists. they had visas that overstayed, and this bill, allowing some of these high-skilled engineers and doctors to stay? our country, it also creates better security in terms of not just the border, but watc

grover norquist and all of the republican worshippers of margaret thatcher are outraged today that we are averaging 18%. those republicans insist that it is outrageous in this country for taxes to be 18% of our gdp, which is about half of what they were under margaret thatcher. half! barack obama is half the taxer that margaret thatcher was, half the socialist that margaret thatcher was. president obama hasn't dare propose a health care program as purely socialistic as margaret thatcher's health care system, the one she supported and bragged about. but republicans call barack obama a socialist as if it is an epithet, and call margaret thatcher a hero. ignorance is the first requirement for republicans add iragency of margaret thatcher. sarah palin and most republican presidential candidates would be horrified to discover that margaret thatcher actually believed in evolution. >> i began with charles darwin and his work on the theory of evolution of the origin of species. darwin's voyages were among the high points of scientific discovery. the beliefs of darwin's era should help to see

grover norquist frequent dwes on this program, has famously said he wanted to shrink the government downt where he could drown it in a bathtub. two days before the bombings in boston he spoke at a tea party rally on boston common. >> on the central issue that moves our vote we want the government to leave us alone. >> obvious lay, norquist and anyone else at that rooly couldn't perceive the events of that monday but it shows what a different time we seemed to be living in just two weeks ago as the debate over smaller government raged on. in the aftermath of the bombing, government didn't leave boston alone. thousands of law enforcement officers from every level of government descended on that city. the unprecedented manhunt shut down the metro area. residents told to stay home stay inside. but the force worked. four days after the bombing, one suspect was dead another was in custody. anna navarro is back with us. ben is a senior research scholar at the city university of new york. polls show an overwhelming approval of the massive response to the boston bombing. polls also show americans

but when boehner dismisses this and says if the word tax is in there, grover, norquist and i are leavingere's no way to run the country or accept a bipartisan responsibility. >> senator cornyn, is the president's budget a starting point, a place to begin negotiations both on entitlement reform and higher taxes? >> on the chain cpi issue, this does represent some modest progress. but you have to recognize the fact this budget was two months late. it raises taxes another trillion dollars or contemplates that and never balances. so i give the president credit that he did put this on the table. but this -- i know dick would agree, chain cpi won't save social security and medicare. >> chris: if they were willing to do more, would you put taxes on the table? >> i would be willing to talk about what a grand bargain would look like. >> chris: including taxes? >> the credit got $6 billion of taxes in january and it's wrong to raise it nor trillion dollars. >> chris: would you be willing? >> i'm happy to talk any day about anything. just about. but i think the president got his tax increase. >> ch

grover norquist is going to be at the rollout today. going to be 12 different groups, so i think that that is what they see as being really a key difference. >> you know, the question is washington, you know, it used to be you could lose some, win some and washington could juggle. the question now is can washington juggle. is it an intense, the intense focus on one issue so it was on guns and we saw what happen, interest groups can prevail on that. does that happen with immigration? >> washington can still juggle. talking about three issues and especially over the first quarter of this year. guns, immigration and the economy. i think congress can only handle maybe one or two issues of that, and as we saw right now they dropped the ball on guns. one of them didn't go through. >> what is the fallout on guns? what happens? the president -- michael, he seemed to telegraph how he planned on campaigning on this. he used this issue in a campaign mode. the question i wonder is in a year is it still the same message? >> chuck, this goes back to

of forces that you can see in the conservative media, in the funding organizations, and in the grover norquist and the koch brothers. and it all comes together to provide such overwhelming pressure on individual republicans to toe the line, to oppose even when they want to engage in problem solving. >> so when you mention the club for growth, you're talking about essentially wall street finance group of private citizens who will take on a republican in the primary to defeat him if he doesn't toe the line on what the financial interests want? >> and these are financial interests who don't just focus on financial interests. many of them are themselves radical either libertarians or who have a very strong ideology. and so the club for growth will intervene not just on tax issues, but on others. and they're joined by other groups. you know, when jim demint left the senate -- >> to head the heritage. >> head the heritage foundation, you know. >> right. a very conservative organization. >> which used to be a think tank. now, of course, it has a 501 (c)4 called heritage action. they're raising money.

and grover norquist.the most unusual coalition of business and labor, conservatives and liberals, religious leaders, leaders from all walks of life who have come together to back this bill. i think we've got a chance because it is so bipartisan and has such a bad base of support >> warner: so you think it's more than the fact that 70% of hispanic voters chose president obama in the november election? >> make no mistake, that was the catalyst. if the november 6 election hadn't been so decisive when it came to voting blocks like asian americans and hispanic americans favoring president obama i'm not sure my republican colleagues would have had the appetite. john mccain has been very open about this and he said if the republicans want to be competitive with hispanic voters in america we've got to step forward and find a solution to our immigration challenge. >> now have the eight of you discussed not only the substance of the bill but how each team of you is going to deal with challenges from your own caucus

we had 23 witnesses on the judiciary committee and everyone from the migrant workers to grover norquist. >> i want to come back to the issue of president bush's legacy but the security threats facing president obama as well. i was in dallas covering the dedication of the bush presidential library and i had a chance to catch up with former bri british prime minister tony blair to talk about his thoughts on the middle east, the bush legacy, and some of the big foreign policy tests now facing president obama. you are in this pivot point politically of being so closely associated with president clinton politically, the new labor party, at a time he was refashioning the democratic party. and yet your legacy will forever also be intwined with president bush and his response to the war on terror. it's a very interesting place in political history. >> there was a british prime minister when he was once asked what is the toughest thing about being prime minister he said events, dear boy, events. what happens is something comes of a game-changing nature or world-changing anywnature like and every