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. >> ...and walked away from it because he signed a pledge for grover norquist, a no-tax pledge. doesn't live here, but yet that was more important than making sure the commonwealth was attended. >> it's interesting to me that these later budgets and these fiscal spending packages have now become the new normal here in pennsylvania. you have essentially the senate republican leadership and the governor agreeing to a package that the house has said that they haven't seen and haven't analyzed, so you have real discord among groups that are naturally on the same page usually. and this new normal of, "our budget starts in july," or, "it starts in august," or, "it starts in december," i think we're on the wrong path in terms of just coalescing around when a budget needs to be done and having one done on time. >> so, a quick question -- who's to blame? because we're really sort of -- you know representatives in harrisburg. so why can't they agree? >> lot of diverted interests and not enough strong leadership. there's nobody there who -- you know, in the not-so-long-ago days, it would b

join us is grover norquist, founder of americans for tax reform i assume you're not a fan of the two act taxes that are kept in the bill. what do you say to republicans who say we have to find a way to pay for it somehow >> the house bill and the original senate bill abolished all of those taxes and paid for what they needed to do on reform there are some politicians who wanted to spend more money, and they are being -- they got what they wanted, which damages economic growth because these are some of the most anti-growth tax increases in obamacare that will be remaining for a while. the good news runs as follows. they are going to get a health care bill. we'll block grant medicaid we'll get rid of most of the tax increases in obamacare there were a trillion dollars over a decade. now we move to tax reform. and that's where we will be able to get rid of the obamacare taxes that were particularly bad for economic growth. we have to do that as part of a pro-growth tax reform package. and the white house is focused on getting to a 15% rate for all business income. corporations and sub c

maria: big bet there, grover norquist thank you so much. >> sure. a few wieb weeks too until august recess. is time running out. i talk to one republican congressman, to say only way to push through president's agenda is to cancel the break. did you hear that colleagues? stay with us on "sunday morning futures," we'll be right back. [radio alarm] ♪ julie is living with metastatic breast cancer, which is breast cancer that has spread to other parts of her body. she's also taking prescription ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor, which is for postmenopausal women with hormone receptor- positive her2- metastatic breast cancer as the first hormonal based therapy. ♪ ibrance plus letrozole was significantly more effective at delaying disease progression versus letrozole. and ibrance plus letrozole shrunk tumors in over half of these patients. patients taking ibrance can develop low white blood cell counts, which may cause serious infections that can lead to death. before taking ibrance, tell your doctor if you have fever, chills, or other signs of infectio

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working on repealing and replacing obamacare while legislators debate the finer points of the plan, grover norquisthere is really, really good news for the middle class that he's found. liberal media not reporting it. good to have you on the show, grover. you're saying massive tax relief. 700 billion dollars in tax breaks is that what you found? >> the senate bill reduces taxes by 700 billion. it's a good number. what's not reported in the press is the number of those taxes that directly hit the middle class. remember, obama when he ran for office and when he sold us obamacare said no one who made less than $250,000 a year would ever pay anything, not a nickel, not a penny, in higher taxes. in point of fact, quite a number of the obamacare taxes directly hit the middle class. if viewers ask do you have a flexible savings account for health care? 30 million americans do. obamacare damaged and taxed the fsa's, flexible savings accounts, the republican plan ends that and stops the taxes on flexible savings account. if you have a health savings account, 20 million americans do. the obamacare taxes dama

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i know grover norquist, for tax reform, he is a big champion of tax reform and oesn't want to move to residency-based taxation. this may have been included in platform inan party 2016, as well. i think it is something that awmakers are looking at and laying the trade-off of -- of reform, effort is there elimination or call for elimination of deductions for care or those ld kind of things that people cling on to every time they file taxes every year? what is discussion on that? guest: republicans want the mortgage interest deduction, the charitable contribution deduction and tax benefits for retirement savings. they plan to eliminate other deductions, including local state deduction, which is certainly a deduction that is often used. it tends to be used more in higher tax states, blue states. seeing some y republican house members and states like new york and new california try to push back on that and encourage congress to keep the deduction, for important constituents. host: what is the lobbying effort on this overall tax especially as people have individual interests and probably a

american dream house government often kills us as it does it keeps growing and it depresses me bed grover norquistnt for americans for tax reform has fought that tax simplification for 30 years and you have failed. is less simple than it ever was taxes are higher why are you so cheerful? >> the majority of the members of that task -- of the house we have not had a tax increase as long as the republicans controlled the house we stopped the bleeding as long as they can hold up one part of the government. obama what did trillions of higher taxes and republicans said no tax increase period we have to run a half trillion of spending restraint with 23 percent of gdp that is the federal government to stop the bleeding and it takes new leadership. john: politician say we have to get rid of this. >> is the one big victory the american people have against illicit and obamacare. but look to the states to see freedom flourish. home school was illegal and allstate's 30 years ago ted million are now being home school that is breaking into the monopoly. [applause] thirty years ago nowhere did a government have t

aren't we in fact a nation of, grover norquist, right, happy to drown the government in a bathtub if we get a few dollars in our pocket? i am not, i don't want to distort or discount the views of conservative americans. in fact, as ej said, my last book was a study of the tea party. it was actually at a tea party rally that the question that i tried to answer in this book first occurred to me because it was at a tea party rally where i noticed how common it was for tea party activists to describe themselves as taxpayers. i pay my taxes. as a taxpayer i -- and the end of that sentence was almost never about taxes. it was almost always about their right to be heard. their right to participate in american politics. in america even for very conservative americans being a taxpayer, using taxpayer is shorthand for being an up standing contributing citizen who has earned a place in this country and has earned representation by their government. on many issues the tea party is on the american right but seeing as tax paying a commitment to community and country, they're in fact part of a very

the pentagon under president obama the guy that's taken over that job he's actually i believe grover norquist like cousin or brother or nephew. said he's ready to do it and took the job wanting to do it so we might actually get that i'm a believer that there's a lot of waste in the pentagon and that increasing the budget and today's tight budgetary environment is irresponsible but cutting money back from medicaid which hasn't proven to do any good for the people that get it and cutting from other programs is should be on the table what about your say in the roughly seventy percent of medicaid recipients who are children and elderly people are getting no benefit from medicaid i'm saying that as a science i mean maybe roughly thirty percent who are mostly are the working poor they're getting no benefit i'm saying that it's a society i'm saying that the science agrees with me on this the owner of science there is there is science that agrees with me the only randomized study that talks you know you heard out that it's got nothing to do that what do you mean it's on medicaid it's on medicaid it's

you sound like grover norquist now. julia: do you think that they will toss that?holas: i will be surprised if they did that. it's too easy to do. i've been wrong before, but i would be surprised. kevin: i spoke with the treasury department and he says that these reports about steve bannon pushing this higher tax rate on the wealthy -- some of these reports had been at like 45% -- there were not included in the framework for a reason. do you think that these reports of increased tax on the wealthy -- is that just some rumblings or something people should be taken more seriously? nicholas: i think it is dramatic rumblings. apparently bannon said it to someone. it's not clear who he said it too. it's not even a consideration in the bill. i would not worry about that. kevin: the washington at the chamber in full echio mode. julia: we have paul ryan and kevin brady say this is not something they are looking at here. i guess if we can trust them. [laughter] kevin: who to trust in washington? what about this issue of revenue neutrality. that is where people are nervous,

so with me now two different opinions, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform, an organizationopposed all -- and dillon rat gan, for a and chairman of -- holdings, so gentlemen, let's get started. everyone knows your name because you pushed republicans to sign that pledge not to raise taxes of any kind. i have a feeling you entirely disagree with mr. bannon? >> yes. it's a particularly cruel thing for bannon to do. had we grown during the obama year at ronald reagan rates of 4% rather than 2% as obama d. there would be 12 million more americans working today. that's the problem we need to fix. that's why trump won the election. raising taxes hertz economic growth, obama reminded us of that. reagan pointed out that that was in fact the case. we need lower rates across the board, and the president is pushing particularly for taxes on businesses to be reduced, to subject that it might make somebody field good to know that somebody else is paying higher taxes, that's a cruel thing to do when you're hurting somebody. the whole point of high tax rates is so politicians can tell the m

. >> grover norquist said we should see a bill by september 28. jon? >> jon: wouldn't that be nice?ike emanuel, thanks. >> molly: steve mnuchin and white house director of legislative affairs mark short are taking tax reform as republicans reboot their legislative agenda. i'm joined by richard fowler and also david avela. thanks nor being here. we appreciate it. >> good to be here, molly. >> molly: kicking things off when we want to talk taxes. the republicans have had a tough time getting forward on healthcare. do they see more eye to eye? is there more of a collaborative effort with tax reform? david? >> if we can't pass tax reform, it will be time to deflate the football and send the pigskin back to the pigs. we have to pass tax reform. it's ultimately helping spur the economy, that which is consumer spending and the belief by job creators that we're ultimately going to do tax reform. if we want to bolster what is going on in the economy right now and we want to actually spur it, we'll pass tax reform. >> molly: richard, what can democrats do here? is there a chance we'll see rep

. >> when i talk to art laugher or grover norquist, they say the cuts weren't pure enough, not deep enough. so their point is, no, no, the idea that if you lower taxes on people, they will take the money they save and spend it in a way that's stimulating to the economy is still correct, nobody has just done it the right way. >> maybe, but if you look at where tax rates were when republicans and president reagan cut them in the '80s you're looking at rates that were approaching 70%. >> when you go from 70 to 45 or 40, that's huge. >> huge. >> that's a big piece of money you'll saving, that you'll buy a car or washing machine in a way that's very different from 36% to 35% or whatever. >> absolutely. now, there's just not that much more blood you can draw from the stone. a lot of economists would argue. it willy some of the people i interviewed for my piece, club one of reagan's top economic advisers is saying that largely what the individual income tax cuts that supply-side economists wanted to see in place back then, it's all been accomplished. you can't really do all that much more with cu

. >> when i talk to art laffer or grover norquist about this, it's because the tax cuts weren't goodh, weren't deep enough. there are tax cuts on income tax, but not on this or that. so their point is no, the idea that if you lower taxes on people, they will take the money they save and spend it in a way that's stimulating to the economy is still correct. nobody's just done it the right way. >> maybe but if you look at where tax rates were when republicans and president reagan cut them consider. >> much higher. >> you're looking at income tax rates that were approaching 70% in some cases. >> when you go from 70 to 45 or -- that's big piece of money that you'll go buy a car or a washing machine or do something with in a way different from 36% to 35% or whatever. >> there's not much more flood you can draw from the stone a lot of economists would a argue and some of the people i interviewed including reagan's top advisers is saying largely what the income tax cuts supply-side economists wanted to see in place back then, that it's all been accomplished. you can't really do all that much

charles: joining us now, grover norquist, what do you make of president trump's message there?tant. it's exactly what a president should be talking about to the rest of the world. the model that the united states has is not democracy. hot of countries have -- lots of countries have elections. zimbabwe has elections. the model that we have presented to the world is one of expanded liberty, more individual liberty and people creating more wealth, jobs and opportunity for themselves, their families, their a neighborhoods, their nations because they were free. and the united states has gotten too bureaucratic and has too much expensive big government. but europe's got it even worse. i mean, europe is the future we need to avoid, but we should reach out to europe, to poland, the other countries and say don't continue down the path of ever bigger bureaucracy that you've been heading down. it doesn't work. charles: of course, with that big bureaucracy comes big tax bills and to pay for all of it. and still you have angela merkel, macron and you have others in the e.u. who are feeling

grover norquist with us now, americans for tax reform president.proceed. all good news. yes? >> it is but this vote is not just a motion to proceed. this is a vote yes or no on is the united states ever going to fix entitlement problem. you can look at 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years and see that if we don't inform our retirements, the spending programs like medicaid and medicare and food stamps and other things, they bankrupt the country, they turn us into illinois, they turned us into greece, they turn us into detroit. you can see that coming. this is a vote yes or no on whether we are going to stop the country from ending up in bankruptcy eventually and i am a little surprised no democrat wants to have this debate. not shocked but a little surprised because they talk a big game when they want to raise taxes to solve the entitlement problem but they don't ever, this is what we are learning, want to reform the entitlements themselves. i hope there are not more than two republicans who have their head in the sand and their hands in the pockets of special