grover norquist, americans for tax reform president. heard you watch, the grover the number came up was his number, top rate of 52%. that is what he ran on in 2016. he is sticking with it. with would actually look like? i'm sure that you run numbers? >> that is on top of state and local income taxes. on top of any number of taxes, property taxes, sales tax, that people pay. the reason why sanders wants a higher top rate is the same reason the countries like sweden and portugal, they have about 60% now. nobody is at 70% anymore. everybody realizes that is crazy. frankly 50 and 60 are pretty nuts as well. the reason you have a high tax rate on some people, what european countries do, they have much higher tax on middle income people. so they tell people in the direct middle who pay 10, 15, 20% more than americans, if you count the value-added tax and higher income taxes, middle person in sweden is paying significantly higher income taxes and sales taxes that an american with the same amount of money. they tell that, none of us are really

super grover norquist, thank you. >> can i just note that you asked grover about a bipartisan bill andthe fault of the california democrats. >> i gave the example of what they said about it. >> but it's bipartisan. >> i warned you. >> you blame the democrats for a bipartisan bill. that's not helpful. >> barney, thank you as well we will continue this conversation in debate i know for many -- well, meantime, some breaking news electronic retailer best buy has announced that the company has named chief financial officer cory barry as the new ceo, appointment effective as of the company's meeting on june 11 the current ceo will become executive chairman it says now is the right time to begin a leadership transition, and we should -- >> joe, they have done a pretty good job. >> done a great job with that company after, you know, many people thought it was left for dead. >> the last guy they didn't -- it was the founder and then i forgot -- anyway can't remember anything. i couldn't even remember archipelago. >> earnings season is here and market watchers are expected a rough company for ma

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joining us now discuss is president of americans for tax reform, grover norquist. eport is done. they have to turn to something else. now they are saying we need to see these tax returns. >> now, remember when richard nixon wanted to have the head of the irs look at the tax returns of thinks enemies list? the answer was no. we should not be violating anybody's privacy. and the idea that the democrats want to look at these tax returns is no particular reason for that add to that the reason they want to talk about trump's tax returns is they don't want to talk about your tax returns. the democrats are putting together a series of tax increase proposals. they have been campaigning on raising taxes on energy, gasoline taxes. taxes on electricity. tax -- more taxes on your income. on your wages. on products that you buy. this is all coming, if they ever get the house and the presidency back and they are working on it in the house. they don't want to talk about that. they want to talk about their tax hikes. they want to talk about this. pete: that's fair. at the same time

david: bring in americans for tax reform president grover more norquist. imin i'm in a high tax state, wo you think about what industry secretary said -- treasury secretary said. >> true if you have an incompetent governor or corrupt mayor and they have high property taxes and high income taxes, reducing or limiting state and local tax deduction will hit you, talk to your governor get a new one, talk on to your mayor get a new one. it is your own darn fault, if you live in a kno incompetent cy or new york state. that is something that chicago, and new york city and san francisco have to work out. >> grover, i am interested in your view, new york officials say we're contributing much more that the federal basketball thae get back, that is their argument against what you said in the way that salt deductions could make me feel better about paying taxes in new york. >> new york co col pig -- polits should have a talk with their voters. and they are not doing themselves and favor, they can't whine about tax revenue from new york, schumer votes on higher income

get into this so much in the article, but what i found rather curious was anti-tax advocates, grover norquistexample, and others like him, they are federalto simplifying tax filing. when i first heard about that, i said that is kind of on, but the professor bankman explained to me, is they hate the government, and what better way to make you hate the government, too, is to make you hate your taxes, because they are so complicated. host: our first call is from janet calling from independence, missouri. janet files her own taxes. good morning. caller: good morning. i will try to make this brief. i can barely at two plus two, but when they give you the taxes for dummies online, you can file your taxes. supposedly i am getting a refund from the state and the e feds, which i usually do. i try to keep them down, because i do not want a huge refund. i want the money through the year. well, i file in early february, and i finally called the state, and they said we have not received your return, and i checked back, and even though the software had told me yes, everything is good, there is some kind of

the ever strategic grover norquist has equated this chokehold, this desire for a chokehold on the stateel power which diminished in 2018, thanks to folks in this room, but is still very strong, he spear, it with the roman formidable enough to penetrate so itield and barbed, cannot be pulled out ever. that was their plan. but we woke up. paying close attention like in this room, figured out how the other side was working to achieve the inexplicable. and that realization of how the other side was working explains the singleness of her press among all the host organizations here today. as someone who studies social movements, i can tell you that here is a unity on display in this room among these organizations that i have not seen on the progressive side in in that euros of our greatest accomplishments. the 1850's, when we abolished the 1930's, with the workers movement and the new 1960's.d the we see that unity in the questions that are driving less forum across every issue iraq, across every constituency, people have reached the same conclusion. we have to fix our democracy. we need stru