from the gru.nt, the month before the 2016 election, gru officers that were involved in the russian attack started checking out the websites of various counties in georgia and iowa and florida. they just started visiting the websites. the indictment says it was part of the gru targeting state and county offices responsible for administering the 2016 elections. but then there is this paragraph in the indictment. by november 2016, but still before the election. the election was november 8th. this means this happened in the first seven days of november. literally the final week before the election. these gru agents sent over 100 spear phishing e-mails to organizations and personnel involved in administering elections. in numerous florida counties. it contained malware that they embedded in their e-mails. the last week of the election? so this isn't like, this is a very specific thing. this isn't like hijacking american political causes to make them more extreme and divisive. this isn't targeting faceb

in this case, fancy bear, we're talking about this gru connected group inside russia, this is the same organization that hacked the dnc. this is the same group cited in robert mueller's indictment that came out last month. they are still at it. the timing is astounding, all coming to light within the last 24 hours where the president is still equivocating. >> that's absolutely right. one of the interesting things is that before he spoke at the aspen institute, dan coats, the director of national intelligence, spoke at the hudson institute. and who is right on the target list here? the hudson institute. so, it could be that the russians are listening and to try to send a message along the way. but the boldness of this even after the specificity of that remarkable indictment, which you may recall had intercepts of conversations between individual russian officers of the gru, deciding what they were going to do in 2016 is interesting. it's also interesting that microsoft has found a way right now, it looks like, to get into this sort of cat and mouse game with the gru. they went to a judg

the ubiquity of this formation, the fact that it is carried out in conjunction with elements of the gru, butina for example, montenegro, ukraine, middle east, suggest that this is being coordinated at a very high level with russian intelligence operations and they probably have -- haskins. i have no doubt in my mind, i given part of the equation. >> i would agree and i would allude to remark from the general to ask about -- and whether it is operating in syria or not and the journalist ask him whether this company belongs to or is controlled in uniform by the ministry of defense. and he said that those guys, the ministry of defense, they have their own forces to do the functions that are treated to the pmc. and i would agree with stephen. i think that the intelligence collection could be done but other departments. [inaudible] >> quite interesting, it belongs to the gru and major construction works with, done by russian ministry of defense. the training procedures are how they are trained or they have been trained in many ways resembles training that undergo, underwent by russian specia

. >> guest: well, you know, i look at the media coverage of these 12 russian gru people were accused of being directly involved in the attacks on the u.s. electrical system and you read the judicial proceedings underway. we are able to go to not only specific locations physically, but buildings, , compute a

jim clapper points to the indictment of last month of the 12 gru. i go back further to the february indictment, february of this year, laying out the conspiracy and that's what the overarching concept that mueller's indictment does in 2018. the conspiracy by the internet research agency and 13 other russian individuals and entities to interfere in our election, and the question we need to have answered from bob mueller and his team is are there any americans who participated. >> and quickly, if you would, general, is the relationship between president trump and the national security community at large with exceptions obviously for his chosen cia director, et cetera, is that permanently broken do you think? >> it is dangerously close to being broken, badly injured. if we're back at our old agencies we're trying to say to our work force we have nothing to do with what john brennan is says on tv and what the president does in response. that has to be harder and harder each day as the administration takes these kinds of actions. >> thanks one and all fo

if we look at this recent indictment that mueller filed against those 12 gru officers, there's a parttment which identifies an individual with whom guccifer 2.0, this is the russian intelligence hacker, was in touch with an individual who had regular contact with senior members of the campaign. boasted in 20 16 that he had communications with wikileaks which is also implicated in that indictment. so when mueller talks to these associates, and as he's closing in, if it turns out that roger stone was, in fact, onboard with the object of the conspiracy that those gru officers were trying to achieve and did anything to help them, he, too, can be implicated there. and perhaps his associates if they were a part of that as well. zb >> i mean, on the implication note, paul, what does it say when all of your aides or people in your inner circle are being subpoenaed, like, if you're roger stone, are you feeling a little nervous? >> well, anybody who's issubpo a subpoenaed to appear before a federal grand jury should be very nervous. >> so far, roger stone, nobody's called him. i'm saying should

likely believes this group is linked and possibly directed by russian military intelligence known as the gru. as far as the organizations and groups targeted by the attack, apparently, parts of the senate and then two think tanks. hudson institute and international republican institute. both critical of president trump's advances to vladimir putin and also toward russian foreign policy. we have to point out that apparently no evidence that these domains were used for successful hacking or spear phishing attacks. this is months after deputy attorney general rod rosenstein indicted 12 russians for election campaign and meddling. we know a few days later, president trump seemed to side with the russians instead of the intelligence services while at the helsinki summit with putin. now president trump gave an interview to reuters where he would offer russians sanctions if they work with u.s. with russia and syria and ukraine. this got back to russia and this seems to be a fact that the russians believe it is them who will take the lead role and the u.s. that needs to follow at least in syria. fin

>> so fancy bear or apt-28 is a unit of the russian military spy agency gru, the gru. and they have been active for years and years in information warfare campaigns across europe, western europe, european europe and the united states. and they famously hacked into the democratic national committee in 2016 and as well as into john podesta, hillary clinton's campaign chairman, his e-mail account, and they famously dumped those e-mail also out into the public on wikileaks, which really through the 2016 election in disarray. >> they haven't gone away? >> that's correct. we shouldn't be surprised they haven't gone away. we, in fact, been warned and told by intelligence officials for the last two years that they're not going away, that they're going to continue their efforts, and i want to at least make one point clear here. what they do is they do espionage as well as information warfare, which is weaponizing information they steal by putting it out into the public sphere, in a way that can embarrass a candidate or create confusion and discord. we don't know yet exactly wha

one of the things that was controversial about the gru indictment from robert mueller's office is when public charges, when you bring a public indictment, are you disclosing too much intelligence about what is known about those attacks? are you giving away too much of what we -- what we would otherwise keep secret in terms of the way we fight these things? in this case in florida senator bill nelson is saying i'm telling you they're in there. i can't tell you more. i can't tell you why i know that. i can't elaborate. that's opening up the counties to say, well, we don't know how to defend what you're warning us about because you are not being specific enough. it is also opening him up to the political criticism from the governor who is saying i don't believe you. if it is classified information, you're spilling classified secrets. it seems like the secrecy hampers the ability to fight it and to fight about it. >> right. there is a difference between calling attention to the fact that hacking is generally happening and specifically disclosing classified information. i don't think it's r

the gru agents from russia who had a very big hand influencing our elections.o i would argue that even in a very short amount of time, 15 months, they have gotten a lot of work done, a lot of ground covered. they may have to skip over in some parts the mid-term election period if there is that d.o.j. rule that says not to interfere with the incoming elections. it's arguable whether or not the president's campaign would be under that guise because none of them are on the ballot. that's who it's designed to protect against. >> right, which is an important point. nia, really quickly before we let you go, we looked at the length of those investigations and people's perception of where we should be at this point, the other thing that's fascinating, is even with benghazi there is not, i would argue, the drip, drip, drip on social media we are seeing everyday. we talk about it a lot, but it is slightly different this time around and that has had an influence. >> yeah. i think that's right. it's constantly covered and people want to see what is the end to this saga we'

and a big clue here is in the recent indictment that robert mueller just filed against the gru officers, and in that indictment, the charges for hacking which he brings against those 12 gru officers alleges that the stolen e-mails were worth over $5,000, which makes them a thing of value. i think you could argue that they are valuable in many other ways, but he's essentially laying the groundwork that this was a thing of value. the question here is did they accept or receive it? i think that here you do have the other party, the russian crown prosecutor friend or whoever these people were reaching out. they weren't soliciting, but they did go to the meeting. and the question is what happened afterwards? and there are some strange coincidences when you look at the indictment, the dates that are in there and other things that we know happened subsequent to that meeting. but i'll let my colleague make his case and then respond. >> he's smiling wide. but add this to the mix for yourself, professor. one step farther than asha wants to go. if it's illegal to solicit and you find out that some

>> senator, as you are overly sanction number of individuals connected to the gru and ssb. fact some of the sanctions issued this morning was specifically connection to the relationship to the fsb. we did designate -- >> the ira but not some of the 12 gru. >> we are closer look at that indictment. i can't preview what our plans are at rest assured speedy all i would say is it would help i think the american public as a sanction these bad actors and these bad actors identities in a case that was built against was provided by the actions and working for the special prosecutor. it would do a great deal of benefit to the american public in terms of the seriousness of this threat is the president of the united states would not on a daily basis denigrate the mueller investigation and call it a witch hunt. an investigation that is created 30+ indictments come a number of of guilty pleas and obviously has been a very valuable tool in identifying these bad actors who in the past on an ongoing basis try to interfere in our election activities. mr. krebs, do you have indication of who

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>> i would only add that we know from special counsel mueller's indictment actually of the gru, there's one section that notes that gru operatives utilize social media accounts and fake websites they created in order to spread hacked information and weaponized information so we certainly know there are other actors. gru is probably better hiding its tracks than the ira is, so i think it speaks again to how this is probably just one tip of the iceberg of what we're looking at. >> so, the early discussion clearly has moved from what the russians were paying for, which appears to be a very small fraction of the impact they were having. does anybody disagree with that? that is clearly -- and this ira activity is some fraction of the russian activity in 2016-17 and into 18? is that would be -- so i think the indictment, the mueller indictment said that there were probably at least 80 ira employees involved and millions of dollars involved in that effort. i don't know what, is that five millions of dollars, or hundred million? what kind of -- what amount of money do you think the russians inv

. >> that is right and the reason for that is pretty clear which is if you look at the gru, the hacking indictment, the link to roger stone is the collusion stuff. and the heart of the mueller investigation is the question of coordination between the russian interference in the 2016 election and anybody associated with the trump campaign. the person who is most clearly identified with that in the document itself is roger stone. and so i think this is the most public aspect we have other than the trump tower meeting of what is really the heart and soul of the mueller investigation >> and i keep coming back to the point how often he is in contact with senior campaign officials in the indictment of the russian officials. great to have you both. >> thanks so much. >> for more in the legal jeopardy. joined by mimi rocah. broad you are assault on the mueller investigation. here is what he had to say. >> in order to appeal, judge howell's decision, challenging, have to have a contempt order. this is a major precedent set in the case. serious constitutional issues on the appointment clause. >>

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at the same time we have a trump associate talking to the gru. talking about the russian intelligence agency that stole the emails from the dnc. kennedy: at the same time i want to point something out. you also have harry reid talking with john brennan who is the head of the cia, and they seem to be barking up the exact same tree. it's a russian tree. >> you can't swing that cat without hitting a kremlin expert on spying. we created a nation of experts on russian spying. i think that. >> i am just reading his emails. harry reid is a member of the gang of eight and he's talking about an active attack from a hostile foreign power. what christopher steele was trying to do. he was a private investigator hired by the campaign to try to find out -- kennedy: he was also working for the fbi. he was hired because the campaign was very concerned that the kremlin was working to elect donald trump and they were trying to figure that out. kennedy: i have got to bring robby in here. >> i have not seen the evidence to prove the collusion narrative and i'm not b

really locked in on stone, which should come as know surprise because this recent indictment of the gru folks in russia actually didn't name him because of doj policy but identified him in paragraph 44 as someone who had consorted with him. so mueller is obviously trying to stitch up russia and the u.s. looking very hard at stone. >> and whether or not stone was a potential back channel. julia, i know from reporting i did with carol lee and others here that the witnesses that robert mueller so far has spoken to they have been asked by mueller's team pretty pointed questions about roger stone. what did roger stone any? what was he doing? did he really leave the campaign in 2015? stone says he quit. the trump team said he was fired. did he really leave or was there some unofficial role he was playing behind the scenes? was he potentially in contact with russia or wikileaks and feeding that material to donald trump? why did donald trump say on july 27, 2016, russia, if you're listening find hillary clinton's e-mails? it seems like -- sam nunberg will tell you this. he sat in front of the s

we know robert mueller has charged those 12 gru russian affiliated people with that conspiracy. these people now this meeting could be unindicted koch conspirator of the larger agency. >> stay with us, here in new jersey, phil rucker, as you are brewing of everything that's going on. you say he's privately brewing and publicly roaring as one adviser describes the president thinking he does not believe his son broke the law but is fearful none the less that trump jr. inadvertedly may have wandered into legal johnny deppty. >>ity . >> he's worried about his son and he feels like his son may not have knowingly broken the law or ignorant of the law but may have wandered in some jeopardy here. he's getting nervous because robert mueller and his probe are getting closer and closer to the president and his family and the inner circle. there is a sense inside the trump orbit that another big indictment can come in the next few weeks by mueller as he tries to get some of this work done for the midterm elections kick into high-gear. that speeds up a lot of the president's anxiety and fear

e-mails and as reviewed in the stunning indictment that came out last month from bob mueller of 12 gru officers in which appears they complied with his quest that day after 24 hours. and in my book -- we've all written books" i the for his cha director, et cetera, is that permanently broken do you think? >> if we're back in our old agencies we're trying to say to our work force we have nothing to do with what john brennen is says on tv and it gets harder each day as the administration takes actions. >> thanks one and all for being here. i appreciate it. the white house counsel takes 30 hours to talking to mueller and his team. >>> plus for over ten years. it's the #1 prescribed biologic by dermatologists. more than 250,000 patients have chosen humira to fight their psoriasis. and they're not backing down. for most patients clearer skin is the proof. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma have happened, as have blood, liver and nervous system problems. serious allergic reactions and n

gave a public call to the russians to find hillary clinton's e-mails, it was the same day that the gru was looking for it. there is solution in plain sight. >> let's bring in the lead off panel. national political reporter, an attorney and former staffer for the armed services committees and national correspondent for "the washington post." philipp, on this issue of security clearances, john brennan had his revoked. in this same studio a few hours ago, he talked and one of the things he talked about was trying to prevent this from happening to other former and current officials. does he have any ability to do that? >> one of the things is he is trying to engage in a legal case to do that. he recognizes what the threat s. president trump is right. clearly this has done nothing to silence brennan. he was harsher tonight than in the arrest past. he recognizes there is a particular threat. if you are someone who donald trump still has power over in the government, who someone like bruce ohr works for the defendant of justice, that changes his career. that makes it so he is not able to work

and to pass their contact information on and so that their computers essentially taken over by the gru law enforcement involved? did microsoft inform them? >> microsoft in touch with law enforcement. the fbi and the department of homeland security have been in touch with us over time, not immediately over this case but we have been in touch with them because there's other foreign governments trying to get in, chinese, iranians and probably others. >> what was the damage done? >> none whatsoever. >> how come? you would think that -- how long has this been going on? >> well, microsoft caught this, they saw that somebody tried to register a mirror website that looks like our website and prevented any damage to us and deeply grateful. >> so -- but you have to assume this is going on. others have been targeted, as well. microsoft or maybe other institutions have not discovered this. >> sure. look, we have been on high alert for sometime. chinese tried to take down our website about a year ago and failed and hackers of shanghai. we have been on high alert and told the team to be very careful

also ask you, directing questions to you, the obama administration imposed sanctions on the fsb and gru following the 2016 election. how many of those officer accounts have been frozen, do you know? sec. billingslea: i don't have that information. sen. menendez: how much money did those individuals lose as a result of any sanctions, if there are any as it relates them? sec. billingslea: i will have to take that for the record. senator menendez: secretary mitchell -- you know i have high regard for you, but it gets diminished when you do things that i think are political in nature. you mentioned the mighty river comment as relates to the previous administration in 2009. that was before crimea, that was before the invasion. that was before the obama administration levied sanctions against russia for its invasion of crimea. that was before, when the president ultimately went ahead and that is why russia is not part of the g7 today. it is also when we became aware that russia was interfering with our elections that the did pursue sanctions against the gru and the fsb. that is why they made

far in the public reporting is that roger stone appears to have had contact both with guccifer 2, the gru russian military intelligence officers who attacked john podesta and other democratic e-mails, as well as with wikileaks which was the platform where these e-mails came out. and that's just based on public reporting. that stuff's relatively old. part of what's interesting about mueller's ongoing interest in this, i think he's up to seven or nine different roger stone advisers or colleagues that he has been interviewing, is that he has some sort of ongoing interest with roger stone. and obviously we don't know what it is. but we know that mueller doesn't yet know the thing that mueller is looking for. and that, in and of itself, is pretty interesting to us. >> yeah. every -- every step of the way, carrie, mueller has -- you know, he's been methodical in who he meets with. he's laser focused, certainly wouldn't be meeting with this woman unless he had good reason to do so. >> well, that's right. i mean, i think garrett's on the right track, which is that the investigators and the specia

because cybersecurity experts believe fancy bear is directed by the russian military intelligence, by the gru. so the russians certainly issuing a very strong denial and going on further beyond that. >> fred pleitgen in moscow. appreciate that reporting. i'll be waiting to see vladimir putin say it's a 400-pound guy in his basement. microsoft's newly documented evidence of russian meddling puts the president, who has repeatedly questioned russian interference, in a fresh bind. the disconnect between what the president says and what his intelligence community says highlighted again just yesterday. in an interview with reuters, this from the president. mueller's probe played right into the russians. if it was russia. they played right into the russians' hands. the key words there from the president of the united states, again, despite all of the evidence, if it was russia. julie pace is back with us. also joining the conversation, jonathan martin of "the new york times." cnn's phil mattingly. if it was russia. the president has been told by everybody on his national security team including most

that shows that the agency is convinced the russian general staff main intelligence directorate, or gru, was responsible for interfering in the 2016 presidential election. earlier this morning, president trump tweeted about the case saying -- "ex-nsa contractor to spend 63 months in jail over 'classified' information. gee, this is 'small potatoes' compared to what hillary clinton did! so unfair jeff, double standard." he was referringng to attorney general jeff sessions whoho he s been attacking ovever the last 4 hours. for more, we're joined by three guests who were in the courtroom thursday during reality winner's sentencing. joining us via democracy now! video stream is billie winner-davis, mother of reality leigh winner. she is joining us from augustine, where reality winner was sentenced. kevin gosztola is managing editor of shadowproof press. he has been covering reality winner's case and has covered several whistleblower trials, including that of chelsea manning. he was in the courtroom on wednesday. and in washington, d.c., james risen is the intercept's senior national security

matter of fact, the same day that the gru was actively looking for it. so, there is collusion in plain sight. but i don't know whether any of that rises to the level of conspiracy and whether that conspiracy rises to criminal responsibility. >> an open setting congressional testimony last spring that in the summer of 2016, you at cia were alarmed by, said your radar went up about the number of contracts between russian officials and u.s. persons at a time that russia was mounting this interference campaign. when you say that your radar went up about that, did you radar go up about that because it appeared that the russian operation had as a component the engagement of americans towards that end or was it specifically because of the people, the americans, the specific u.s. citizens who those russians were targeting. what was it that put your alarm up? >> first, i knew it was a very intense russian effort to interfere in the election, number one. number two, i am well aware and have a lot of experience in observing what the russians will do to get american

basically gave a public call to the russians to find hillary clinton's e-mails that it was the same day the gru was looking for it. so there is collusion in plain sight. >> and let's bring in our leadoff panel for friday night, jonathan allen, nbc news national political reporter, mika oyang, and phillip pump, national correspondent for the "washington post." phillip, on this issue of security clearance, john brennan had his revoked. he talked -- one of the things he talked about was trying to prevent this from happening to other former and current officials. does he have any ability to do that? >> one of the things he mentioned is he was trying to engage in a legal case. it's clear he recognize what is the threat is. president trump is right, this has done nothing to silence brennan. he was probably harsher in his language tonight than he's been at any point in time in recent past but he recognizes there is a particular threat. 23 you are someone who donald trump has power over in the government, like bruce ohr who works for the department of justice, that changes his career, that makes it so

we know from the gru indictment that a lot of the activity, the russian intelligence officers trying to hack into the dnc started in march and april of 2016 two or three months before the trump tower meeting. that doesn't mean that folks couldn't have joined the conspiracy at that meeting. you can join a conspiracy while it's in the process. so there is lots of legal questions and lots of evidence that the mueller folks have to look at. >> phil, a lot has happened in the last few weeks in terms of the mueller investigation and the changing stories. could the president be feeling a bit boxed in, more box in now than he has yet? >> for me? >> no, phil. >> oh, yeah, he could be boxed in, certainly. i think he feels that way. he certainly appears to be feeling that way based on the anxiety that he is showing publicly in his comments. there are a couple other things going on right now. he is trying to decide whether to do that interview with robert mueller. that's a really consequence juncture for him. it could expose him to some jeopardy, which is why his lawyers are very hesitant to let

months as the mueller investigation has produced indictments both of russian nationals, of specific gru military intelligence officers, and he has called out in great detail how they conspired, how they worked in order to undermine our election in 2016, and the manafort trial has already begun. there's been a series of indictments for other related actions by senior members of the trump administration or the trump campaign team. >> do you think manafort means anything to the wider russia probe? >> he may very well. manafort, as you know, is in part being accused of failing to report and laundering millions of dollars from a kremlin-supported ukrainian president, a strong man, leader of ukraine who was closely allied with the kremlin. there may be ways in which that relationship and the ongoing payments that he received from ukraine is connected. it might end up being independent. that's really the challenge in front of special counsel mueller is to connect all the dots. >> then you have this broader array of influence that we see in facebook today, them shutting down accounts that they

places in the mueller indictment, if you look at paragraph 21d in here it, talks about how one of the gruicers create a spear phishing e-mail attack. it's clear all the other 11 defendants didn't know or participate in that, yet they were all under the indictment terps conspirators and potentially guilty of the alleged offenses. and so i think you have to understand the way bob mueller and the special counsel's office is approaching the crime of conspiracy in order to analyze whether you think there will be a charge at the end of the day. >> i love when both of you take me to law school. jeremy, i'll go from law school to spy novels. you heard you say to our friend earlier today preet ba harra, there's a 96% chance the reason donald trump has taken a pro putin position is because of long-standing financial ties between the trump organization and people around the russian government. you talked about one-on-one meetings, about donald trump clearing the room which is what we understand him to have done with putin. we looked up one of the other people and you made this reference too, he clea

evidence, and i think the significance of this goes back to the most recent indictment against the gru officials for hacking into the dnc server and other e-mails. there's a section in that indictment that is called coordination with organization one. and organization one appears to be wikileaks, and it's about how guccifer 2.0, which hacked into the e-mails, was coordinating on the release with organization one. in that section, there is a portion that says that guccifer 2.0 was also in touch with the senior -- with a person who had contacts with senior members of the trump campaign, and they were contacting him. how this relates back to davis is that davis was on roger stone's payroll in late 2016 when these contacts would have happened with the person with contacts to the senior trump officials. so if that is roger stone and she was on the payroll doing clerical work, which is apparently what she was doing, she may have seen e-mail traffic or other communications either between stone and wikileaks or other entities. so if she is the person referred to in the indictment, that could b

you got an indictment of those 12 gru agents where they talk about somebody who is an american citizen, who was in cahoot. >> and stone had said he didn't think that was him, but it was so obvious it was him. >> he admitted it was. >> on my show. thanks for watching laura coates. >> i think it's a little premature to label him a target. >> that would be rationale for not calling him. i get your point. but everything that could be speculated about, alleged about roger stone were true, what's the crime? >> well, he cannot, as an american citizen, facilitate or solicit the help of a foreign national of any kind to try to influence the election. that is a part of collusion. that's an umbrella term that's often used, and the focus has always been on members of the trump campaign. but in reality, mueller's mandate is far more expansive. it also includes looking into things he discovers in the course of that campaign, of that collusion investigation. if he is somebody who solicited the help of a foreign national, that is a crime. >> you think stone could get stuck for that, mr. schultz? >> i

the indictments of the gru officer, the general directorate of the russian military intelligence this russian equivalent of our defense intelligence agency, was incredible, incredible gum shoe work. this was phenomenal hybrid of law enforcement, intelligence collection, between signals intelligence, cyber intelligence, human intelligence, and there was a lot of human intelligence there don't tell mel you'll know how to get these guys' middle name us. one to get their key stroke log in one thing to get their middle names and rank and which expand they were assigned to a lot of resources from the u.s. intelligent community were applied. u.s. and/or allied intelligence communities and done for a particular reason. there are are many people in this nation who believe none of this is true. none of it. so, robert mueller is working his way up through all the bad guys. first the internet research agency which was a civilian-run organization that was being done at the behest of the kremlin. with civilian it was actually subcontractor to the russian intelligence community. russia's nsa is a sp

that was undertaken by the main intelligence director of russian military, which is also called the gruly focused on stealing information and then using that stolen information, in particular e-mails from the dnc and john podesta to create news stories and then amplify them that were harmful to hillary clinton's campaign. the second component was the trolling operation, which is mostly done by a group called the internet research agency of st. petersburg. that was a campaign that was much more -- it was particularly on twitter and facebook and aimed at heightening the tensions between different groups in the united states. >> do you think that facebook is taking this seriously enough now? >> i think so. i think all of the tech companies are taking it extremely seriously. their responsibility to find and stop disinformation. that's why you saw announcements this week from microsoft, facebook, twitter, google. that's not an accident. these companies are working together to find and stop these groups, but the problem is the companies can't do it by themselves. this is going to require an a