i don't drive for grub hub, but if i did, i would drop the kids off at school. and when i had to pick them up or take them to soccer practice, i would be an uber driver. >> i think that the gig economy is great for flexibility. if you're looking for a 40-hour career, if you start driving uber, you're no better off. >> that's not a career move. >> yeah. so i think that's an important thing to recognize is that it's not meant to be all things for all people. so my new company, we employ people full time instead of using a gig economy process for this reason. it's a career oriented, economic growth sort of a job. >> you could have taken the money from grub hub and taken it easy. you rode your bicycle across the continental u.s., but then you did do a new startup. why not just take it easy? >> after grub hub, i rode off into the sunset literally, i rode from virginia to oregon. during that time, i had time to reflect, and it made me think about the fact that i had -- what now? i had a lot of resources. i had a lot that i still had to give. and so i created this new