economist jonathan gruber is in the news again.the wall street journal" citing 20,000 pages of e-mail sent to the white house between january 2009 and march 2010 show that gruber played a much bigger role in the construction of the obamacare law than what was originally thought are portrayed by the obama administration. he was at the center of the firestorm. the famous line he came up with that we keep saying the americans were too to read into the lot and understand impasse. and now we're stuck with something we can afford and no one understands to this day. sandra: now we learn he was at the center of the design. >> supreme court case, jonathan gruber said something so central to the case the lot was in britain have posited that the state exchanges are the only exchanges i can get tax credits. jonathan gruber said yes, you have to incentivize their own exchanges. the federal government should avoid having them build it and the weak assays to incentivize to do that, give only the states that tax credit to build health exchanges, n

gruber is, for opponent of the affordable care act the gift that keeps on giving. what the emails say he is important. he should have been. the department of health and human services paid him almost $400,000 for whatever he did. this matters because either thursday or a week from today, on monday of next week the supreme court will handle down an opinion as to whether the affordable care act should be read as written. that is should be read that subsidies can only be delivered through exchanges established by the states. the question is that language purposeful as it is plain? mr. gruber is on record as saying it was written deliberately to, and these are his language, squeeze the states to compel them to be collaborators in the affordable care act. it's too late for this revelation to influence the supreme court. we will read the supreme court opinion in light of this. >> was it? >> of course, i think what the white house press secretary josh earnst said there was not inaccurate in that there was no huge smoking gun bombshells in the way the "wall street journal"

gruber, of course is the m.i.t.onomist who worked on the affordable care act and was caught on tape in 2013 mocking, quote, the stupidity of the american voter. after those comments president obama tried to separated himself from gruber. however, "the journal" reports at times there wasn't much difference between gruber and the administration at all. the frequent communication between gruber and administration officials they say shows gruber had a bigger role in creating obamacare than previously known. jarm? >> well so what does the administration have to say about it? >> the white house press secretary josh earnest was asked this just a little while ago, and here was nothing surprising about the report. he also questioned the motive of republicans for, as he said leaking the story now. >> i don't think there's anything that is revealed by these e-mails that is at all surprising to anybody who works here. again, maybe some republicans in congress that think that releasing the e-mails gives them some kind of politic

the frequent communication between gruber and administration officials they say, shows gruber had a bigger role in creating obamacare than previously known. the white house press secretary josh earnest said there was nothing surprising about the report and questioned the motive of republicans for, as he said, leaking the story now? >> i don't think there is anything that is revealed by these emails that is all surprising to anybody that works here. again there may be some republicans in congress who think that releasing these emails gives them some kind of political advantage of one sort or another. but i'm not really sure what that is. >> hhs also release ad state to us which they said gruber is a widely respected economist and questioned the timing as well, calling this, old news. back to you in new york. david: all right. we'll have more on the story coming up. >>> turning to another big story out of the washington where the supreme court ruled in favor of disney's marvel entertainment earlier today. the 6-3 ruling in the patent case was kimble versus marvel. it heard inventor steve kim

gruber is, for opponent of the affordable care act the gift that keeps on giving.e emails say he is important. he should have been. the department of health and human services paid him almost $400,000 for whatever he did. this matters because either thursday or a week from today, on monday of next week the supreme court will handle down an opinion as to whether the affordable care act should be read as written. that is should be read that subsidies can only be delivered through exchanges established by the states. the question is that language purposeful as it is plain? mr. gruber is on record as saying it was written deliberately to, and these are his language, squeeze the states to compel them to be collaborators in the affordable care act. it's too late for this revelation to influence the supreme court. we will read the supreme court opinion in light of this. >> was it? >> of course, i think what the white house press secretary josh earnst said there was not inaccurate in that there was no huge smoking gun bombshells in the way the "wall street journal" reporte

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the e-mails show stream of e-mails between gruber and top obama administration staff members including the director of the office of budget and management. >> this is not a rogue adviser or someone who is outside the circle. rather, this is someone who is very much a part of the inner circle and was in routine, regular contact with top administration officials. >> reporter: yet when videos of gruber surfaced which he referred to, quote, the stupidity of the american voter and also discussed the subsidies now at issue before the supreme court, several top obamacare players saw to distance themselves from him, downplaying impact or they knew him at all? >> i don't know who he is. he didn't help write our bill. >> the fact that some adviser who never worked on our staff expressed an opinion that i completely disagree with in terms of the voters is no reflection on the actual process that was run. >> reporter: records show gruber had more than 20 appointments to visit the white house including a meeting with the president himself, while testifying on capitol hill late last year gruber flat

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once gruber came out it became much more duff to make that argument.id was they used the fact that you have to have a state exchange used it as leverage to make sure that states did do and it of course states didn't do it it kevin the white house and leader pelosi, they just say that they -- they essentially say they don't know who he is. >> what's interesting is in october 2013, gruber said that i quote unquote lack of political trans (say political advantage. now we have some transparency we had emails. we are seeing that he met with top economic advisors in the white house including larry summers as well as jason fuhrman. jason has since left the administration. these guy day in and day out crafting policy. this notion on the eve of a supreme court ruling that mr. gruber was not an architect of obamacare clearly with these emails is proven i don't wrong. >> no one likes to say lie. there really aren't any consequences. what are the consequences for this? american people just -- i mean, they are the victims of the deceit. i mean, therency is that the

. >> and the white house is accused of lying about the role of gruber in obama care. >> reporter: this is the guy who was captured on video talking about his role in drafting the health care law and specifically, addressing those subsidies that the supreme court is expected to rule o. after numerous statements surfaced. passing obama care would pass on the stupidity of the american people. nancy pelosi said she didn't know him and he didn't help write the bill. this is what president obama said when asked about gruber. >> the fact that some advisor that never worked on our staff expressed an opinion that i disagree is no reflection on the process that was run. >> he may not be a member of the white house but he visited the white house 20 times including a meeting with the president and now new revelations from the house oversight committee uncovered 20000 pages of e-mails this show how central gruber was. he was connected to the president's closest advisors and thanked by a top official for being a integral part of the law being written and called him our hero. and the spokesman said t

. >> that was the so-called obamacare architect jonathan gruber back in 2013 calling americans stupidnow stunning new emails obtained by "the wall street journal" reveal that the mit economist was far more involved in the shaping of the health care law than the administration let on. the emails show he was frequently consulted by staffers and advisors for both the white house and hhs. one email from the top obama health advisor even thanks gruber for quote being an integral part of getting to us this historic moment. despite all that when this controversy first erupted last year this is how president obama referred to gruber. >> the fact that some advisor who never worked on our staff expressed an opinion that i completely disagree with in terms of the voters is no reflection on the actual process that was run. >> well, a spokeswoman for hhs appeared to dismiss the emails saying they quote only echo old news. sandra i saw you shaking your head. >> old news? they called us stupid. >> sold news he was seriously involved drawing up this health care law governor. no two-ways about it. >>

call it the stupid of theity of the american voter. >> gruber was much more involved in shaping this.t with the white house. 20000 pages of e-mails show he was keeping track of media reports and offering advice on the healthcare policy. 20,000. this contradicts gruber's argument he had a limited role in creating the policy. >> call it a parting gift washington d.c.'s american university offering $500 gift cards to those who agree to move off the campus. why? because the dorms are over booked. this fall the number of returning and new students has increased resulting in a higher demand for on campus housing. they provided incentives for students to reconsider last may. incentives fall short. >> the time is about 20 minutes after the hour. in an airline attack dozens of flights grounded at the haendz of hackers the information they took control of. >> farewell to the fake feedback. brand new moves that has reviews much more sri liable. oo -- reliable. >> what is your account number? >> 7. >> 7? >> parents, does this sound like your kids. why their little lies might be good for their men

hhs also says, stuart, that gruber was not paid for political advice or strategy.s stupidity of the american voter comment . stuart: but it was the president who said that guy who we never spoke to or who is never in the white house he dismissed him. but you can't, he was right necessity center of it, wasn't he. >> yeah. he said at that point it was somebody who was not on his staff which jonathan was not on his staff but he was an expert, which we now see was communicating frequently with white house officials . stuart: very frequently. thank you very much indeed. >> very colin tonian of him to words like that . stuart: what's the definition -- let's not get footings. and then the defense secretary ash carter spending military equipment and troops to europe. don't know when they're going but troops and equipment will be going. is this all about putin? ambassador john on that subject. next. and also ask him about pope france mixing policies with religion again. if you work or invest in the weapons industry, you're evil. how about that? [dad]i wear a dozen different

but maybe even more significant for obama, for bill and hillary clinton. >> yeah. >> for gruber.y're just smarter than you are. they're a lot smarter than you are. you know, they would feel better and you would feel better, barack obama famously said he's better a researcher than his researchers. better speechwriter than his speechwriter, and you can fill in the blank. that's what drives them, they're just so much better than you are. >> but only if a better hero. >> but you think he's a hero. >> well, just because someone is a villain, doesn't mean they're a bad woman, and the $10 bill, i'm not going to stand it, but the constitution was founded in the same way that gruber did health care, and mainly they did not have the legal authority to throw out the confederation, they did so under secrecy in violation of the law, and luther snitched to the law. so this has been how the government has been made since creation. >> this guy called everybody an idiot. >> well, maybe if people -- >> talk about leadism though. >> yeah. >> i don't assume serve an idiot. >> it's not an assumption.

they were asking why wasn't gruber in play. the record. >> what's important to remember is jonathan gruber didn't write this law. those who did filed a brief that made clear that was never the way the law was supposed to operate. when you look at the text of the law as a whole it's very clear that those four words do not tell the full story. tax credits are supposed to be made available. >> and at the end of the day that's where the chief came to in writing, saying his assumption is that what congress intended was to make sure that health care insurance was done more broadly. some disagree some agree with that but it is the official decision. the following day we got the 5-4 ruling authored by justice kennedy. he's the swing sort siding with the four members of the court that are wildly classified as the left although i know the justices don't like to be put into those categories. it was a sweeping opinion and we thought it might go more narrowly. they're to be treated exactly like opposite sex couples and he's often talked abo

well, i see your jonathan gruber and i raise it with four aces. senator orrin hatch who said back in january, 2010, that -- that establishing an exchange is not a condition of receiving federal funds. and that was stated by other people as well. in june -- well, i mentioned when the states amended their complaint. october 2011. the american legislative council, exchange council, alecka right-wing legislation, said there's no penalty for a state in allowing the federal government to implement an exchange. november 2012, nebraska's governor explaining why states -- why the state wouldn't set up an exchange, said there's no real operational difference between a federal exchange and a state exchange. officials assessing exchanges in georgia, south carolina, west virginia, all these states advanced knowledge that subsidies were available. this is the way the statute was understood and since it was understood that way, it really doesn't prove much to say that the treasury department incorporated the incorporated the language of the statute into an early

well, i see your jonathan gruber and i raise it with four aces. senator orrin hatch who said back in january, 2010 that -- that establishing an exchange is not a condition of receiving federal funds. and that was stated by other people as well. in june -- well, i mentioned when the states amended their complaint. october 2011. the american legislative council, exchange council, alecka right-wing legislation, said there's no penalty for a state in allowing the federal government to implement an exchange. november 2012, nebraska's governor explaining why states -- why the state wouldn't set up an exchange, said there's no real operational difference between a federal exchange and a state exchange. officials assessing exchanges in georgia, south carolina west virginia all these state ss advanced knowledge that subsidies were available. this is the way the statute was ubd understood and since it was understood that way, it really doesn't prove much to say that the treasury department incorporated the incorporated the language of the statute into an ea

gruber's involvement?nts that the they used a lack of transparency and stupidity of the american voter to pass health care reform. >> you like that harold? >> the house oversight committee obtained 20,000 pages of e-mail through mit chirm jason chavetz and is asking for more information on gruber's contract with the government. >> nbc news.com the body of a former white house chef who disappeared while hiking in new mexico has been recovered. walter set off on a canyon trail by himself days ago and never returned. he was hired as executive white house chef by then first lady hillary clinton in 1994. upon leaving the white house in 2005, he wrote, for the last 11 years i've had the honor of doing daily what most chefs would be lucky to do once in their lifetime. walter chide was 61 years old. >> my goodness. we'll go to variety now. "inside out" was second at the box office. still had the second best opening in pixar history. but "jurassic world" continues to dominate adding an estimated $102 million to the

economist michael gruber. >> if you don't set up an exchange that means your citizens don't get their tax credits. >> reporter: the administration repeatedly tried to distance itself from gruber despite his numerous appointments at the white house including at least one meeting with the president as the law was being drafted and remained confident it would be victorious. >> this law is working. and it's going to keep doing just that. >> reporter: neither the administration nor lawmakers appeared to have a backup plan in the event that the court struck down the extension of the subsidies and may have dodged a political bullet. >> we're going to continue our efforts to do everything we can to put the american people back in charge of their own health care and not the federal government. >> it's a victory for common sense and for all american families. >> reporter: judicial executive and legislative branches aside, the latest fox news poll shows half of americans aren't convinced. 50% still say they wish the law had never been passed versus 45% who are glad it was. a number of states tha

another senior brandon gruber has down syndrome was named home coming king of his high school last fall. it was a thrill for him. but even that wasn't enough. he wanted low income kids to feel what that experience was like. so he raised the money himself to pay the way for five of those kids to go to the ball with him back in february and he recently took a group of ten with him to the senior prom. brandon was recently profiled in "people" magazine and great thing about it was he raised the money by selling art and not only took them to prom got their tickets, a limo, dinner the whole experience it was magical for those kids. >> and prom is what kids remember about high school. >> and these were kids who wouldn't otherwise been able to go to prom. >> thanks a great story. if you have a story, we would love to hear from you, go to our website and search bay area proud. it will connect you to gashon's story and ways to contact him. >> he does all the work and people take his stuff, it's totally a compliment. >> yes a little bit of flattery right there. >>> get a look at the pacific. i'm l

professor gruber sharing his unguarded assessment about how they managed to pass the sweeping law thatd only went through because harry reid changed the rules to get the vote he wanted. today the high court saved the law for a second time striking down a challenge over subsidyies by acknowledging it was unartfully trafted but conclude it would afford the most generous interpretation otherwise the insurance market would be destabilized. in moments, our exclusive interview with dr. ben carson. but first, dr. charles krauthammer, the author of "things that matter" now out in paper back. so gruber has the last laugh. >> and obama has the last laugh and nancy pelosi as in a sense john roberts does. what john roberts sensely has done in these two decisions is to say don't come to me again about the affordable care act. i'm not going to overturn it. and i think scalia in that really bitter dissent was absolutely right in saying that roberts was working backwards, his objective was to find some way, any way to uphold the law. and even if it meant contradicting the planein language of the law,

look gruber and his partners put in their capital, right?investor in sports for years. they buy this team for $450 million. it's now worth $1.3 billion. he had incentives to make it successful which the government does not. >> rich is there any way to get incentives into government? >> well the problem is with the word performance because in the private sector it means building a great product, building market share, making a lot of money, but in government it can mean good things but it also can mean perverse things. for example, are you performing if you are shutting down some core small community bank because they violated some narrow ruling in dodd frank which was meant for big banks? >> well steve, we have a couple of folks from the private sector that are going to be running for president. carly fiorina among them. they are going to rye to apply private sector tactics to government management. is there any chance that could work? >> long-term, no as long as you have politics in government which is inevitable defining performance will e

you can't have a guy like gruber marching around the stage telling them how they fooled the american people. that's wrong. >> that's not the point. the point is somebody whose family is bankrupt when they have a catastrophic medical event and how can we not care as americans? >> we do take care of them guys. we do take care of those people. there's an emergency room that will -- every single city -- >> they can't say no. we have to go. hot topic. we have to get to a couple more hot topics. >> what do you think of this what we've been talking about? sound off. has the supreme court become judicial activists, and is it moving far left? we can respond at _#wake up america spshgs your tweet will be seen literally by millions of people. where are we scrambling to do a deal with iran a nation the administration's only intelligence chief just admitted is the biggest sponsor of global terror? @? >>> terror attacks in france tunisia, and kuwait. raising a question about making a deal with the biggest sponsor of terrorism and with the clock ticking down on the new deadline with iran the obama

and it would seem from jonathan gruber's videos indicate that despite protestation. >> if you say that you'd you not want all of these people, these 6.4 million people to be out on the streets without health insurance coverage. i am wondering -- you have a plan this senator leadership planned, how close are republicans to having a more cohesive solution you guys can present not only to members, but to the public. senator cassidy: these folks are receiving subsidies to buy insurance. they would be held harmless. we do not want a woman receiving chemotherapy to -- there is a consensus we will hold that woman, that person, that family harmless. as regards what will replace the decision against obamacare would effectively repeal of version of obamacare. i think what there is not a consensus off is whether we should put forth a plan to replace that segment. the patient freedom act replaces that segment with pro-market reforms, but i could not say all have signed on to it. ms. haberkorn: it seems like one of the issues is how do you protect those people? some would like to restore subsidies.

. >> good afternoon, mark gruber with san francisco taxi workers alliance this shouldn't be a fiekt between uber and taxis except they have made it one. it seems more like a fight between uber and everybody else, but let me get to some of the distinctions. we have fewer than 2 thousand taxis in san francisco. uber at last count by their own numbers had over 16 thousand vehicles that was back last december and because they're growing exponentially, we know that it's got to be a much higher number now, a representative of lift said they had tens of thousands of vehicles in san francisco, this was through the mayor's disability council last fall, so we're talking about exponential numbers of vehicles, taxi drivers are trained in official school that is are accredited by the city, they operate under city permits, nothing of the kind with tnc drivers. another question or issue i would like to bring to your attention is enforcement if you were to allow the tnc vehicles and i would like to have the overhead. this is an add for an uber like of glowing light up sign, $24.99 and you can be an uber or

. >> well, besides gruber talking about it again and again and again which by the way was left out oofhe "new york times" and other pieces pieces about this whole thing. >> you can't find anybody in congress owe opponents who thought that. why wouldn't republicans step forward to say i never understood the subsidies to woo go to states that didn't set up their own exchanges. that being said, this is -- the politics of this are really complicated and hard to figure out. if they rule -- if the court rules against the administration i think it will be a huge blow to the president and to democrats and then 6.4 million people might lose their subsidies. but over time is that good or bad for republicans? i'm not sure. most of these people live in red states with republican governors. >> steve? >> the plain language of the statute, the plain language of the law says shall be provided subsidies in states established. >> by the state. >> established by the state. and there are sections of the law that detail what exactly was meant by the state. and it was the 50 states and the district of colum

nlook at john gruber that was the architect of the law and knows more about it than president obama and nancy pelosi. the law meant if you didn't establish the exchange then you didn't get the man dates. if people lose their subsidies and the republicans give him what he wants is realistic as repoling obama care outright. republican tom price introduced a bill to cut a trillion in taxes and provide tax credits to equal out the playing fold. and the president doesn't seem interested in compromising it with the republicans. >> he has a republican house and senate against him now. and yet, if this goes down in flames and the supreme court rules it is unconstitutional the republicans are left to fix it right. >> the federal government yes. and the republicans, they have proposed legislation that would plug the whole temparily. and there are options for states if the republicans can't take action and can't pass the laws. and states could create their own exchanges and there is a little known part of the health care bill. and they could have call centers and the federal government for things

. >> whe gruber bought the club, they boldly promised this long-suffering franchise would win a championshipar and lakum has been countinghe days. >> we've been counting, somehow we did deliver. four years,seven months and one day, and this was the bes day, obviously. >> reporte three teams in nba history has won three or more games. >> it shows you we're talented. and it really does andswims. it doesn't just float. you forget that metaphor. >> he's got a million of those by the way. >>> with basketball season over we turn our full attention to baseball. and what a gem tonight. squaring off, madison bumgarner against felix hernandez. fans are devoted to their king felix. third inning. slider in the dirt gets matt sanino. a ba right by buster poy. scoreless into the sixth. as youustin jackson. and pagan took his eye off the ball. nino would try to score from first. and the throw is up the line. posey just barely missed the tag by inches. then robson cano. and that was the only scoring in this game which was a great tchesrs dual. >>> >>> she's using a cup to catch the ball and spikes the beer.

host: we are getting a lot of tweets on jonathan gruber.he economist had a bigger role in the development of health care. -- of health law. guest: absolutely. his responsibilities were limited. he ran a model of trying to predict if you changed insurance premiums deductibles, what would be the costs to the states? that was his main role. as far as the conversation for how much to include in this and that, that was not his role. he had a model. his model was very good. they developed a model to predict, and our use of jonathan gruber went down after that. he did not have a major influence. he ran it to make sure we understood what we were doing. he was not involved in policies. host: we go to alan, in las vegas. caller: good morning. i wanted to say thank you to everybody, because without expanded medicare, i was not eligible for treatment. i found out i was hepatitis c positive and was able to get treatment. at that point, it is hard to find coverage. he is leaving and going back to practice medicine in europe -- but i can't thank everybody

the jonathan gruber story, the mitt economist who came out saying the obamacare law passed because the american people were stupid, now there is e-mails showing he had more knowledge and communication with the administration te -- the beginning. >> he was the guy nancy pelosi said she never heard of. prior to obamacare if someone showed up at the hospital without health care they were required to treat them. presumably if the law is shutdown someone might show up at the hospital and be turned away. why not go back to the old system, require the hospital to treat them, and sort out the billing later? >> a couple things. hospitals have never stopped even in the transition. they have accepted. hospital emergency room visits in many states have gone up despite the law was supposed to bring them down. the other thing is that going back republicans would push through something that last for some period of time if these subsidies are shot down. to get them to what they hope is an alternative that is market based. there has been talks going on for a number of months >> i know the senator from

i think everybody should talk about gruber.s you smile and smirk and act disrespectfully, they represent many people who were against this act. host: i get the impression guest: i get the impression margaret does not like the affordable care act. i would remind margaret and others of the great progress that has occurred as the result of the affordable care act. we have seen more than one out of three people with previously uninsured coverage, more than 16 million people gaining coverage, we have made significant progress, i think we are going to see the court uphold the provision of the second, and i think it will continue to make progress after 16 million people getting coverage, many more well. host: steve is next from florida. caller: thanks for taking my call, you call this affordable care act when it has a $200 deductible. a doctor wants to run all kinds of tests on me. i have to pay $10,000 at the end of the year. now, they don't cover medical or dental or eyeglasses. what good is this affordable? why can't they just thro

so far obamacare architect jonathan gruber explained the law this way. >> if you set up an exchange that means citizens don't get tax credits. >> i can't account for his comments. >> reporter: the president continued to sell his health care law at catholic health care association gathering in washington. >> despite the constant doom and gloom predictions, the unsending chicken little warnings that somehow making health insurance fair and easier to buy would lead to the end of freedom. the end of the american way of life lo and behold it did not happen. >> reporter: the president went onto say in many respects the affordable care act performed better than expected. >> costs have exploded. not just the cost of premiums but the cost of co pays the cost of deductibles in spite of the president's promise that people would see premiums drops by $2500 per family. the newest reports are premiums are going to skyrocket again this year so there is no end in sight. reporter: some saw irony in the fact the president spoke to a catholic organization about the overwhelming success of the health care l

i think during the high water mark of gruber video comments, there was a statement like we found the gun and will win this case. and there was a lot of confidence. and at least as i read it, there seems to be waning confidence in the outcome and also increasing worry about okay, if we win, what does the next day look like? do you think there is going to be a next day bill ready to drop that just fixes the problem? >> it's hard to predict exactly what is going to happen. the republican party as you see by the size of the republican presidential field is not a top-down system. it's a very sort of democratic robust debate oriented system at the moment, unlike the democratic party. so could the question we have now, what approach will they take? there is a couple different things. is there a full replacement idea to do? and is there a bridge and should we combine them? some people are saying well, this is a chance if obamacare is really falling apart as the lead-in package suggests, that is a chance to give a packet saying we want these people, because some of these people can't afford h

. >> well, besides gruber talking about it again and again and again which by the way was left out oofother pieces pieces about this whole thing. >> you can't find anybody in congress owe opponents who thought that. why wouldn't republicans step forward to say i never understood the subsidies to woo go to states that didn't set up their own exchanges. that being said, this is -- the politics of this are really complicated and hard to figure out. if they rule -- if the court rules against the administration i think it will be a huge blow to the president and to democrats and then 6.4 million people might lose their subsidies. but over time is that good or bad for republicans? i'm not sure. most of these people live in red states with republican governors. >> steve? >> the plain language of the statute, the plain language of the law says shall be provided subsidies in states established. >> by the state. >> established by the state. and there are sections of the law that detail what exactly was meant by the state. and it was the 50 states and the district of columbia. i don't think that

so-called obama care architect jonathan gruber explained the law this way back in 2012. >> if you're state and don't set up an exchange that means your citizens don't get their tax credits. >> i can't account for his comments. >> he spoke at the catholic health association. >> despite constant doom and gloom predictions, the unending chicken little warnings that somehow making health insurance fair and easier to buy would lead to the end of freedom. the end of the american way of life. lo and behold it did not happen. >> the president went on to say in many respects the affordable care act has performed even better than expected. >> costs have exploded. not just the cost of premiums but the cost of co-pays, the cost of deductibles. all this in spite of the president's promise people would see premiums dropping by $2500 for families. the newest reports our premiums are going to skyrocket again this year. there is no end in sight. >> some saw irony in the fact the president spoke to a catholic organization today about the overwhelming sung says of the health care law at the same time d

so-called obama care architect jonathan gruber explained the law this way back in 2012. >> if you're state and don't set up an exchange that means your citizens don't get their tax credits. >> i can't account for his comments. >> he spoke at the catholic health association. >> despite constant doom and gloom predictions, the unending chicken little warnings that somehow making health insurance fair and easier to buy would lead to the end of freedom. the end of the american way of life. lo and behold it did not happen. >> the president went on to say in many respects the affordable care act has performed even better than expected. >> costs have exploded. not just the cost of premiums but the cost of co-pays, the cost of deductibles. all this in spite of the president's promise people would see premiums dropping by $2500 for families. the newest reports our premiums are going to skyrocket again this year. there is no end in sight. >> some saw irony in the fact the president spoke to a catholic organization today about the overwhelming sung says of the health care law at the same time d

i think everybody should talk about gruber.s you smile and smirk and that disrespectfully to our congress, you better remember who they represent which is many, many people. guest: i get the impression that margaret is not like the affordable care act. i would remind margaret and others of the great progress that has occurred because of the affordable care act. we have seen more than one out of three people who were previously uninsured gain coverage. we have made significant progress. i think that we are going to see the court uphold the provision of the subsidies. if that happens, i think we will continue to make progress so that not just 60 million people gain coverage, but many more. host: from florida, steve is next. caller: thanks for taking my call. first of all, you are calling this the affordable care act when it is not affordable. it is unaffordable. i pay $337 per month. when i go see a doctor, they want to run all kinds of tests on me, and my deductible goes up and then i have a bill at the end of the year for $10,0