kathleen: on the gsa question, regarding the interpretation of the lease for the trump hotel, the gsa interpretation is nonsensical. [laughter] >> that is a good word for it. kathleen: i would like to acknowledge the decision was not actually -- to me it's interesting. it was not actually written by a lawyer at gsa. it was written by a contracting official. i want to emphasize the non-sensibility of it would not depend on a law degree or any kind of legal education, but on the other hand, i am intrigued by the fact that it wasn't -- i mean, i'm a teacher of legal ethics, so perhaps for that reason, i am intrigued by the fact it was not touched or not apparently touched by a lawyer but made by a contract officer. it just doesn't make any sense because it's says the president would not benefit from the lease because he won't actually receive the benefit until after he leaves office, but to suggest that is not a benefit is nonsensical. daniel: i am math illiterate, completely, and finance illiterate too, god help me, but even i know what a capital account is and i know because just becau

can somebody explain the rationale of the gsa decisions that allow the trump organization to maintain the tenant agreements at the post office department? >> the first question is a lot easier for the second so i will dive in on that one. oig's opinions are interpretive, and so it's not really a matter of compulsory or noncompulsory. oge is taking the position that this is what the law means. at least in terms of its legal opinions. it also specious and program advisories where it gives instructions to agencies and it has taken the position that a contract agencies to do things like produce documents or change the way they track things. we recently required them to start using the electronic financial disclosure system, unless they the apply for a wao that. but in terms of the legal opinions those are interpretive. oge court nate with the department of justice when it involves the criminal statutes, and oge cannot bind the department of justice so they could still prosecute somebody. you could talk a prosecutor out of prosecuting probably if you were just to say i relied on ts opinion

my group filed a foia request for gsa for the travel reports on because all agencies are required to file them and gsa give the sleaziest response, they said, you have to request it from each of the agencies, even though we haven't all here, and denied the request. it was despicable. so i think that these people that they were going to operate in darkness, and then a couple of reporters from politico,epory were sticking out in airport and caught secretary price, and suddenly these decisions are exposed to the public and now to agencies have said that the documentation is in adequate and these people just said, yes, i think it meets the standard, and they just -- in the standard without justifying it. so i think there is real danger for that. i even saw a distinction among somethics officials where stood their ground and tried to apply the same standards to these incoming appointees, who had gotten the message that ethics does not matter. and others just cave like what ever i cannot think of a good analogy, whatever caves. [laughter] and i found myself having to give them pep talks or

look at latest example with the gsa e-mails. that was the most bogus public relations effort. you could see it, so transparent. if they really had a problem with mueller obtaining gsa e-mails, would have gone into court and filed papers. reason they can't, don't have leg to stand on. there is no privilege, no executive privilege. >> push you on this. there is a difference, not saying good or bad, i don't think it much matters what a client says. but in this case gotten this voluble, loud, undisciplined president of the united states to avoid the bait. just about anyone else, comey, sessions, democrats in congress, hear a lot more than we're not thinking about it. >> but reason is, he's got others doing it for him. members of congress, group from the transition committee making up bogus pr firm with gsa e-mails. other people are beating the drum. that's why holding back. doesn't have to say thing. >> and you pointed this out on previous shows. fox news will be the megaphone for those positions. and i think he's learning he's not above the law and has something to fear from the

look at the latest example with the gsa e-mails.hat was the most bogus public relations effort you could see. it's so transparent. if they really had a problem with mueller obtaining these gsa e-mails, they would have gone into court and filed papers. the reason they couldn't is they don't have a leg to stand on. there is no privilege. there's no executive privilege. >> let me push you on this. there is a difference here. i'm not saying it's good or bad. i don't think it much matters what a client says. but in this case you've gotten this voluble, loud, undisciplined president of the united states to avoid the bait. just about anyone else, comey, sessions, democrats in congress, hear a lot more than we're not thinking about it. >> but the reason is he's got others doing it for him. he's got members of congress doing, it he's got this group from the transition committee that is making up this bogus pr firm with the gsa e-mails. he's got other people beating that drum. that's why he's holding back. he doesn't have to say anything. >>

this specific instance about the trump transition emails with gsa, why not get a warrant? was a federal investigator for 12 years and a local police officer for four. i worked with the police department for four. two years as a cop. why not get a warrant in the most consequential counter intelligence investigation in american history. >> harris: why not? dan dan why not? basically because this is a hoax. i said to you before this show, we are asking all the wrong questions here. the question d da did h de joura warrant on trump? why get a warrant at all why was the trump team being spied on? no one has pointed out one single predicate crime why trump team has been spied on. >> sandra: katie? >> katie: no one period mike flynn being one of them. when it comes to getting the warrant, there were questions still about susan rice's role, who was the former national security advisor to president obama. the ambassador to the u.n., samantha power allegedly was involved in this unmasking. so those are the questions still that we don't have the answers to. but when it comes to collu

not only with members of congress, but also with the fbi and gsa to further that effort and thank you very much, and thank county executive baker and his team for what they've been doing to facilitate in that effort. i'm very pleased to be here with my colleague senator van hollen, and i know he's going to be able to speak for both himself and his-- our senior united states senator ben carden, and of course, my partner, anthony brown, who is so experienced, both in terms of his service in the legislature, his service as lieutenants governor of our state, and who is now doing a magnificent job in the congress of the united states. andy, thank you for being here. the three of us wanted to be here to talk about legislation that was passed, frankly, over the opposition of all three of us. as a matter of fact, all, but one in the maryland delegation opposed the tax bill. we're going to talk about that tax bill and we're going to talk about its consequences. we're going to talk about how we believe this is a bill that will not help the average working americans in this country. in fact, wil

update him on all you have been doing and to hear his jokes about how he has never moved through the gsa as quickly as when he was accompanied by eight ice agents. today it is my great privilege to share this message, this letttter from immigration jail. "i am doing ok. it was a wild and crazy ride. every moment was uncertain except the certainty that they wanted me gone. i am still here because of all of you. thank you. i miss everyone. i feel very heartbroken to see how many of you are suffering for me, how many people were abused during this process. i feel heartbroken that care for someone evoke's violence. . want everyone to stand strong at this moment, we need to speak about changing the system so that no one has to face this type of harm. not just for me, but for all of the families who face being torn apart. until we get reform, we need to repeal the act that criminalizes immigrants, that makes us less than human because of a document . i call upon immigrants, if you need help, reach out to the new sanctuary coalition and they will fight for you as they do for me. and i call upon

the fbi andported the gsa would be very proud of how cost effective they are. therefore, i am pleased to inform you that due to your maryland hasrts, job growth. it has led for four consecutive quarters but none of that would have happened without your support. this county leads the entire washington dc region in job growth. better than fairfax, montgomery, howard, we are ahead of each of them. that is because of this significant economic development project that was bright here and funded here. without that it would not be possible. there is a report on your desk that shows the numbers. you will be happy to know that we lead the state of maryland and the entire region. therefore, today's roundtable discussion is about the potential negative impact of the proposed federal tax relation. -- regulation. this could have a significant negative impact not just on real estate but also on the average citizen. we are going to be the most negatively impacted by this legislation. today you are going to hear from on what these issues make theow we can changes more conduciv

it [inaudible] and there's the synergy in this office and as i understand there is some concern of gsand that it's located in a floodplain so it could be a need to relocate and i would ask that you get engaged because thinking the synergies with the other federal energy is important having it near the chesapeake bay is symbolic and important. the location that epa was looking at was to the epa office alone to fort [inaudible]. i can understand the cost issue of relocating to a federal facility but the problem is it's not near the bay and secondly behind the fence line which is a significant cost because every person who visits the epa office has to go through security network which is already overtaxed because of budget concerns and the number of tenants located at fort meade. would you work with us to get a more reasonable answer to the epa location with other agencies so that we can accomplish the purpose of federal partnership with the other -- >> absolutely. i was briefed on this in anticipation of her hearing and as you talk about their issues there and the current facility and we

as i understand it, there is some concern by gsa particularly it's located in the flood plains. there may very well be a need to relocate. we fully understand that. i would ask that you get engaged on this. keeping the synergies with the other federal agencys is important and having a location near the chesapeake bay is symbolic and important. the location the epa was looking at to move the epa office alone to ft. immediameade. which is federal facilities. the problem is that it's not near the bay. secondly, it's behind the fence line, which for d.o.d. has a significant cost. because every person who visits the epa office has to go through the security network, which is already overtaxed because of budget concerns and the number of tenants that are located at ft. meade. would you work with us to get a more reasonable answer to epa's location with other agencies so that we can accomplish the purpose of the federal partnership with the other -- >> absolutely, senator. i was actually briefed on this in anticipation of our hearing. as we talked about it, if there were issues there a