host: jane, let's stay with guantanamo bay.oáq people that hate us #or whatever reason, know that we're the ones that hold the keys to guantanamo bay so what difference does it make whether or not we hold the keys at guantanamo or a prison in illinois. caller: then your focusing the united states having prisoners in it's country. everyone in chicago, we have black muslims in this country and muslims in this country, will be hating us for the fact that we're holding them here. nobody hears anything of what's going on in guantanamo because it's all done very religiously and very militarily and it's done well. if we don't have a place to hold these prisoners, it's going to be a problem because we are going to have trouble once these trials begin in the united states. i don't like to predict much but i'm telling you. holder has no reason in the world to take these - this trial to new york. host: thanks for your call. mo)e on the editorial from the post this morning. the president needs the ability to hold a suspect where there is h

host: let's stay with guantanamo bay.id us for whatever reason know we have the keys to guantanamo bay, so what difference does it make? >> because you're focusing the united states prisoners in the country. everyone in chicago -- we have black muslims in this country, and they will be hitting us for the fact that we are holding them here. nobody hears anything about what is going on at once, because it is all done religiously and militarily. if you do not have a place to hold this prisoner, it is going to be a problem. i do not like to predict much, but i'm telling you, holder has no reason and the world to take this to your -- in the world to take this to new york. host: no president, regardless of party, should be able to wield this power unilaterally, as the obama administration argues they can. congress should establish clear guidelines that require periodic review, set up clear rules of evidence, and guarantee each detainee has an attorney. president obama will defeat the purpose of closing guantanamo if he continue

up 100 detainees from guantanamo bay, cuba, may be transferred there. the newshour continues always online. hari sreenivasan, in our newsroom, previews what's on our web site. hari? >> sreenivasan: on our web site tonight, watch our interview with secretary of education arne duncan about new ways to improve children's financial literacy. duncan also gives a progress report on the "race to the top program" where states are competing for stimulus dollars. find local reaction to today's announcement about moving some guantanamo detainees to an illinois prison. on paul solman's "making sense" page, our series on the economic year ahead continues. tonight, what will be most surprising in 2010? and there's an update on the drug war in mexico from a reporter who was embedded with the mexican military. that's part of our collaboration with global post, an international news web site. all that and more is on our web site, newshour.pbs.org. jeff? >> brown: and that's the newshour for tonight. i'm jeffrey brown. >> lehrer: and i'm jim lehrer. we'll see you online,

closing guantanamo. yesterday press secretary gibbs was asked about this decision to transfer and he said on more than 30 occasions i'm not sure in the time frame whether it was this year or a longer period of time but on more than 30 occasions they have found direct linkage of terrorist recruitment activity in the use of guantanamo as an illustration of why people needed to convert to terrorism around the world. it is still being actively used for recruitment. and if the senator from georgia would go back a few weeks and read "newsweek" one of their reporters was captured in te what ran -- teharan. he told a story of how he was first incarcerated, an as he arrived, his jailer said, welcome to abu ghraib. for us to believe that there is not a negative image in guantanamo and not used against our troops is to ignore the obvious there are some in this body who are hide bound to keep guantanamo open at any cost and i will tell you the cost is too high. if the continuation of guantanamo means danger to our t

and how many guantÁnamo detainees will be sent there? fewer than 100.in our prisons already. life is not changed in my home state of illinois nor has accused many other states where they are incarcerated and it will change in thompson, illinois. these people can be held safely, securely. i trust our men and women in the military to do that. and the members of the senate should do it as well. these 3000 jobs are going to be a godsend to an area with 11% unemployment. first, a lot of construction jobs and we can use those good paying jobs for americans right here at home. and then, those who worked for the bureau of prisons are going to be paid a good salary and good benefits, the kind of salary you can use to build a family or community or neighborhood. these will be people who will be buying homes, 3000 of them buying homes, cars, shopping for appliances, going to the local shopping malls. is that going to be good for the economy? you that it is. it's just what we need and it's just what this area of the state wants. this argument that we will somehow o

we think by taking this action, guantanamo will soon be closed. and that we know that this facility will be extremely secure. we also know the military personnel will staff the security and the people who run the security also know how to do this in a safe and secure way. this is going to be a facility that will be very safe. it will pose no danger to the community. we will take all steps necessary to maintain that the security of the people of illinois and the surrounding neighborhoods and enhance our national security. thank you very much to you senator and governor for stepping forward on behalf of the people of illinois. we are most grateful to you. >> this group is said -- [inaudible] >> would he say the same thing about president bush's call to close guantanamo? would he say the same thing about secretary gates, who served under both administrations? that they somehow forgot 9/11. that is an understatement. we will never forget. we will make sure the people responsible are held accountable, to military tribunals or through the courts. >> our

at guantanamo bay. we built the courtrooms, built up secure rooms and set up a place where the family members could observe the trial, where the press could observe the trial and a microphone that projected to them with bit of a delay and officer sitting there with his ear tuned in with anything that was classified as secret information that could put the people of the united states in jeopardy, could put his finger on the mute button so the room could be cleared of reporters and family and go to the classified types of information that would be part of the trial. the facilities down at guantanamo bay are perfectly suited for the task at hand of trying these enemy combatants, they were built for that. there are no other facilities in the world to try enemy combatants other than guantanamo bay down in cuba. i visited the place one weekend shortly before easter of this year. and i will say that that location might be the best place you can be if you were going go to be an enemy combatant. i don't believe

sthearn guantanamo bay is certain that guantanamo bay is phased out.ur state unemployment numbers, the most recent ones were 11%. some parts of the state like northern illinois even higher. people are desperate for good jobs. the jobs we're talking about are some of the best. over 3,000 new employees in this area, half of them from local people getting jobs with good paychecks and good benefit packages. these are jobs that you can use to build a family, build a neighborhood, build a town and a community. that's what we need desperately. went to the source. we want to the people in the area who'll be directly affected by this decision. the support for this type of prison is overwhelming and it is bipartisan. at every level as governor quinn has said. people understand that we can safely and securely hold fewer than 100 guantanamo bay detainees. we can do this. we have done it before. this will be the safest prison in america. president obama made the right choice for our country. his home state of illinois stands behind the president. we see this as a g

that's why americans overwhelmingly rejected the idea of closing guantanamo. then there was the decision to bring the self-avowed mastermind of the attack, khalid sheikh mohammed into new york city for trial. we learned this week that the administration plans to give other terrorists the benefits of a civilian trial in the united states. and now there's this. according to the reports we've seen the administration intends to bring as many 100 -- 100 foreign terrorist fighters from guantanamo bay to america. a plan would make our nation less safe, not more so. what's worse, the defenders of the proposal don't even seem to get the implications. rather than even attempt to reassure people about safety, politicians in illinois are trumenting this -- trumpeting this, get this, mr. president, as a jobs program. a jobs program. that's how out of touch they are. democratic politicians are so eager to spend the failure of the trillion dollar stimulus that they're now talking about national security in the language of saved and created jobs. the advocates of closing guan

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the guantanamo order issued on january 2nd, 2009, said that guantanamo bay would be shut down no later than one year of the date of the order which was january 22nd 2010. we know that's not going to happen. i disagreed with that order but that's what it said. so my question, mr. secretary, to you today is this, if we're not going to comply, what confidence do our allies and our troops and our citizens have that the words we are hearing now are words that have meaning and are not semantics? and as you think about that question, admiral, i would ask you this question. you testified earlier today that general mcchrystal got all he wanted. everything he wanted when he asked for 30,000 troops. and the question i'd ask -- i've never known a general to get all he wanted. i've known them to get all they formally requested but not all they wanted. and i would just ask you, are you saying to this committee that all general mccrystal ever wanted was 30,000 troops to wage the war that he is having to wage now? so mr. secretary, i'd give you that time and then admiral mullen. >> first of all, with

>> i will not support a bill that facilitate spreading guantanamo prisoners to the united states.there are reports that they could be asking for as much as half a trillion dollars to do this and it is pretty clear there will have to change law in order to allow those prisoners to come here. there are at least two pieces of legislation that will have to go through congress before the prisoners can come here. i would not want to bet when those legislations will pass. >> last question -- >> and mary christmas, happy new year, by. >> from the u.n. climate change summit in copenhagen this nicolas sarkozy says progress in climate talks is being held back by china. he spoke to reporters briefly after an unscheduled meeting this morning with president barack obama and other world leaders in the last attempt to craft a climate deal. "we expect to hear from president barack obama shortly and other world leaders are speaking. we're recording those speeches and one of those later in our program, in particular the president'." other world leaders including the german chancellor angela merkel s

it's going to make it that much more difficult for obama to deal with the guantanamo bay problem. >> they could end up in illinois though. >> some are supposed to go back to emeb veyemen very soon. >> or saudi arabia who has expressed interest in working more cooperatively. yemen is absolutely terrible at sustaining prisons. >> the saudis haven't done a good job either. >> no i agree but that might be another option. i think the real issue is will obama cave to the pressure of the right? whenever an issue like this happens he becomes more hawkish. with afghanistan he ends up sending more troops because of the allegation he was digterring. we will suddenly cave now and not close guantanamo out of some mass produced fear from the right which isn't legitimate. >> it is totally legitimate to keep these guys in prison forever. i don't care whether it's guantanamo or illinois or downtown manhattan as long as they keep them in prison forever. none of these guys seem to have left and founded a charity to do micro lending to people in small villages in india. these are very bad people. we wan

ore on the guantanamo cases. host: you -- he commented on the text messaging kansas in your view that if you should be yourself using government property -- on government time. a lot of these arguments, by the time they reach the court, they have been argued over and over so you are left with the fundamental question of what's the issue is about. the justices do get into detail, don't they? guest: in these cases they have to go into some detail because it does go to what the officers should have believed about the pager. the caller is correct there is nothing in writing. he actually did a good job making the case for of the department, there was no expectation of privacy. in this case, the justices will have to drill down into the facts of the case to figure out what people in the department thought was the case. host: we occasionally get the opportunity to air the same day of oral arguments from key cases and have done so in the past. but as a reporter, what is it like to watch the oral argument? guest: guest: i

of those from guantanamo bay, two in particular, were transferred under president bush into doubt in seven to the saudi rehab program. they were considered low risk. to they went through the rehab program and return to the battlefield and not only returned to the battlefield, but part of the score leadership of al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, not only claiming responsibility on the attempt on flight 253 but recently claimed irresponsibility for an attempted assassination of a saudi prince. the reason i mention that attack is that sources are telling me that investigators are looking very hard at the similarities between flight to give the three and also this attended assassination in saudi arabia. for example, they both used petn. they had bombers who acted like mules -- either concealed on the body, like flight 253, and in the saudi incident, concealed in a body cavity. host: a lot of republicans -- peter king, frank wolf -- others have said we should not turn over any more guantanamo detainees to yemen. any talk from the democrats' side? guest: it is interesting because the chai

the terrorists that are housed at guantanamo bay are the worst of the worst.i have personally visited these facilities and met with the brave men and women that guard these detainees. as long as the terrorists remain housed at guantanamo, they cannot harm us or any of our allies. however, the administration has seen fit to push ahead on sending guantanamo detainees to the united states. in fact, we learn that they now plan to send some of the most dangerous terrorists in the world to illinois. president obama could not bring the olympics to illinois, but it looks like he will bring terrorists there instead. the plan appears to be to use a current empty supermax facility in northeastern illinois to hold guantanamo detainees. i think bringing these terrorists to the united states is a terrible idea. first of all, there are serious legal problems associated with bringing these terrorists to our soil. the supreme court has noted that it is -- and i quote -- "well established that certain constitutional protections available to persons inside the united states are

talking about obama's decision to move guantanamo detainees to the prison in his district. do you share the safety concerns that have been pouring out at least from the republican side? guest: the safety concern that coming from everywhere. you would be surprised the democrats i've talked to who are breathing a sigh of relief that this facility is not located in the district. let me give you the name of free democrats that don't like the fact that gtmo -- it is not being closed, the moves. even the aclu is being upset with that because the personnel man, operations, everything going on in gtmo will occur in thomson, illinois. governors sibelius, when she was governor of kansas, fought and won a battle with the president of the united states and subsequently appointed head of age h s over the fact that she did not want these terrorist located in leavenworth. she never feared they would escape from leavenworth, as i don't fear they would escape from thomson, but she said recently they would become a magnet to attract tourists from around the world and the area around the pris

of those from guantanamo bay, two in particular, were transferred under president bush into doubt ineven to the saudi rehab program. they were considered low risk. to they went through the rehab program and return to the battlefield and not only returned to the battlefield, but part of the score leadership of al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, not only claiming responsibility on the attempt on flight 253 but recently claimed irresponsibility for an attempted assassination of a saudi prince. the reason i mention that attack is that sources are telling me that investigators are looking very hard at the similarities between flight to give the three and also this attended assassination in saudi arabia. for example, they both used petn. they had bombers who acted like mules -- either concealed on the body, like flight 253, and in the saudi incident, concealed in a body cavity. host: a lot of republicans -- peter king, frank wolf -- others have said we should not turn over any more guantanamo detainees to yemen. any talk from the democrats' side? guest: it is interesting because the chairm

we know we release some people from guantanamo that we ended up killing on the battlefields over in that region. i guess, again, it's a symptom of a larger challenge this country has. that is how do you jude indicate the individuals we pick up and make a determination as to whether or not they should be incarcerated for a long time if not permanently. i never thought the issue was guantanamo because some of the people should be incarcerated forev forever. i'm not surprised it happened. we have to remind ourselves that the process and, again, i look at this individual who has been charged criminally. does that mean he's going to get his miranda warnings and the only kind of information we want to get from him is if he volunteers if? he's not a citizen of this country. he is a terrorist. i don't think he deserves the full range of criminal protections of our criminal justice system as embodied in the constitution of the united states. >> larry: you miss being in the hunt? >> i miss working with the extraordinary group of men and women who helped me build the department, and frankly i miss

the president originallyanted guantanamo closewithin his first year in office the u.s.i-drug effort afghanistan is failing. that verdict came toy from the state dertment's inspector general. his report said the near $2 billion program suffs from po oversight and rampant corruption among afgha official also today, there was word british ldier died tuesday in helmand province, in aoadside bombing. new violence epted in iran today. security forces confront supporte of the late grand ayatollah hossein almontazeri, the country's most senr dissident cler. we havmore from jonathan rugman of "independent levision news." >> reporter:hese photographs of iranian riopolice in isfahan peared on the facebook web site tay. as oppositiogroups claimed many protestors we injured and arrested during ashes involving tons and teargas, while iran's pice chief warned of "fier confrontation" unless the protests stop. in isfah, one protestor dared toilm this rally using a mobile phone. "death to ruia!," the crowd shouted. a rerse of the usual "death to amera" and a round about way of shouting d

ore on the guantanamo cases. host: you -- he commented on the text messaging kansas in your view that if you should be yourself using government property -- on government time. a lot of these arguments, by the time they reach the court, they have been argued over and over so you are left with the fundamental question of what's the issue is about. the justices do get into detail, don't they? guest: in these cases they have to go into some detail because it does go to what the officers should have believed about the pager. the caller is correct there is nothing in writing. he actually did a good job making the case for of the department, there was no expectation of privacy. in this case, the justices will have to drill down into the facts of the case to figure out what people in the department thought was the case. host: we occasionally get the opportunity to air the same day of oral arguments from key cases and have done so in the past. but as a reporter, what is it like to watch the oral argument? guest: guest: i

saeed al-shihrwas held at the s detention center at guantanamo bay for nearly x years; he was nt to saudi arab in 2007. just lt week, yemen carried out another strike on qaida. acrding to some reports, planes fir american missiles kill at least 34 suspected mitants and an unspecified numb of civilians. after that raid, a u.s. ste department sposman would not comment directly. instead, he reiterated u. pport for yemen: >> we cooperate with the government of men and other govements around the world in fighng al qaeda and others, yoknow, practicing terrorism. >> reporr: in fact, the u.s. has giveat least $70 million inilitary aid to yemen this year, a sharp increa from the past. the country, long redoubt of al qaeda, has come a focal poinof u.s. counter-terror strategy it's also been the site of pt attacks on.s. targets. the american embassy there w hit last fall by a crdinated assault including r bombs. and in october000, the deroyer u.s.s. "cole" was bomb in the port of aden by al qaida operatives. 17 american sailors re killed in that attack. for more on this we turno christopher boucek f

the national security docket tended to focus more on the guantanamo cases. host: you -- he commented on the text messaging kansas in your view that if you should be yourself using government property -- on government time. a lot of these arguments, by the time they reach the court, they have been argued over and over so you are left with the fundamental question of what's the issue is about. the justices do get into detail, don't they? guest: in these cases they have to go into some detail because it does go to what the officers should have believed about the pager. the caller is correct there is nothing in writing. he actually did a good job making the case for of the department, there was no expectation of privacy. in this case, the justices will have to drill down into the facts of the case to figure out what people in the department thought was the case. host: we occasionally get the opportunity to air the same day of oral arguments from key cases and have done so in the past. but as a reporter, what is it like to watch the oral argument? guest: it is th

how does closing guantanamo bay make us safer? how does moving over 70 known terrorists to a facility in my beloved heartland of this country make our families more safe? and how does it even make sense? mr. president, rescind this order. put the safety and security of the american people ahead of international public opinion. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. for what purpose does the gentlelady from california rise? mrs. capps: to address the house for one minute and to revise and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentlelady is recognized for one minute. mrs. capps: mr. speaker, the scientific consensus about whether humans is causing global warming is clear. they underscore the need for all countries to take action to reduce global warming pollution. as i speak, world leaders are meeting in copenhagen to negotiate a new global climate treaty. this is a tremendous opportunity for the united states to lead the world in coalescing around a fair, ambitious and binding climat

a number of former guantanamo bay detainees have returned to yemen to launch trit attacks. in october, saudi police prevented a suicide bomber attack as to slipped across the border. one of these would-be bombers was a former guantanamo detainee released in 2007 to saudi arabia. he quickly left saudi arabia for yemen, where he rejoined al qaeda. in september, 2008, another former guantanamo bay detainee helped orchestrate the trit attack in yemen killing 10 guards and civilians. since that time, al qaeda's posture in yemen has grown stronger with the merger of al qaeda into one group with yemen as its base for training and operations. yemen is now home to the radical cleric, who influenced the alleged fort hood gunman, major hassan and who believes to be a critical link to radicalize americans and europeans. i ask the president to halt the release of delainyees to unstable countries. it is dangerous to return trit detainees to danger youse countries. if this country is not prepared, this congress must take action to provide oversight and reconsider these irresponsible decis

this bill will allow them to send people, clueing sikh muhammad, from guantanamo bay to new york city. i believe personally will endanger the citizens of new york city. they are now going to come in and ask for up to $75 million or $100 million to do that. that's money you could put in food pantries or do a lot of things in education. secondly, this bill we have asked it to be nonclassified so people can know where these people from guantanamo bay are going. 26 of them and as classified and can't to talk more being sent to yemen. yemen. that's where the sikh who had the impact on major asan, who killed 13 people at fort hood, that's where he operates. you're going to send people from guantanamo bay who serve with claheek shake muhammad, who was the author of 9/11 who killed -- khalid shake muhammad, who was the author of the 9/11, who killed 3,000 people. he beheaded daniel pearl. think of his family. they are going to send them to yemen and then they are going to send two others to a place that no one would believe that they are really going to send them. this bill by not adopting th

the president is doing what he can to close guantÁnamo.aw are guiding principles. this is why this years laureate has earned the praise of leaders and international institutions, new opportunity has been created. your majesties, mr. president, your royal highnesses, ladies and gentlemen, the world free from nuclear weapons, and arms control negotiations, under obama's leadership, the united nations security council gave its unanimous support to the reason of the world without nuclear weapons. the new administration has reconsidered the deployment and eastern europe or the planned antimissile defense, and is instead looking at other unilateral options to secure the region. this has contributed to an improved atmosphere in the negotiations of strategic nuclear weapons between the united states and the russian federation. a new agreement between them will, we hope, soon be on the table. we can see how the mission of a world without nuclear weapons is in purging, even the smaller nuclear powers to make. and we can certainly not prevent the spr

now, our republican colleagues would rather keep guantanamo open, apparently, and to exclusively use military tribunals for prosecutions. they seem to think that three convictions by military tribunals in the entire period of their existence is an impressive record. one of those was by a guilty plea. this isn't an impressive record, it's a dismal record. by contrast, a recent analysis of the 119 terrorism cases involving 289 defendants tried over the last 20 years in u.s. courts shows that 91% conviction rate for the cases that had been resolved as of june 2. now i can't tell you whether one option or the other is better for any given case, but that's not the call we have to make in our appropriations bill. we can, with current law, leave that decision to the experts in the administration who can best decide on a case by case basis who should be prosecuted in the u.s. and what mitigation plans are necessary to address any risk that may result from these trials. . absurd. it's criminal prosecution -- is criminal prosecution an option we want to close off? of course the answer is no. w

>> weed very much are committed to closing guantanamo. we have very detailed plans on how to do that. we are thinking the final stages of selecting a facility and we are at the same time in the process of identifying detainee's that we believe can be transferred to other countries. i think there are about 215 detainees left. we have identified 116 at this point that we think will be transferred. the president has every intention of doing this and we will do it. the logistics, principally the logistics of that have proved more complicated than-- but i think we are about there. >> alimport this is in regards to our strategy's against terrorists? >> one of the reasons why i articulated the opinion that we should close guantanamo not long after i got this job at the end of 2006 is because the irony is guantanamo is probably the best prison in the world today. elastical train ayers, flat screen tv's, and probably the most highly dickeson-aboud discipline guard force in the world but it has a legacy and what i said three years ago is it bears 1

officials and ordered the closure of guantanamo bay. next year, we will report on human trafficking as we do every year. this time, not only just on other countries but also on our own her we will participate through the united nations on their own human-rights record just as we encourage other nations to do. by holding ourselves accountable, we reinforce our authority to demand that all government adhered to obligations. we must counter the pretensions of those that deny our abdicate their responsibilities and told violators to account. sometimes you have the most impact by publicly denouncing a government action like the coup in honduras. other times will be more likely to help the oppressed by engaging in tough negotiations behind closed doors like china and russia. in every instance, our aim will be to make a difference, not to prove a point. calling for accountability did not start or stop and naming of vendors. -- offenders. our goal is to have government alternate responsibility by putting human rights into law and embedding them

guantanamo is where this should be. that simple, nothing more, nothing less. thank you. [applause] >> ♪ >> ladies and gentlemen, i say let's roll, you know what i am referring to. the heroic captain of flight 93, which was crashed in pennsylvania, thanks to the heroic efforts of the passengers, led by todd. let me introduce to you right now, his father david. [applause] >> good afternoon, everyone. why i am very thankful to be an american and none to have the freedoms of assembly and speech today. the brief remarks i have are primarily directed to our president. mr. president, it is one thing to break a campaign promise. but quite another to break a solemn vow that you made in your oath of office. you pledged to preserve and protect and defend the constitution of these united states. this trial decision is wrong. if you allow this to proceed, you will be breaking a sacred oath. it will be a second attack on nyc and america. it will be september/11, the sequel. mr. president, do not be a party of september 11, the sequel. right this wrong. stop this attack. mr. president,

against a group of some 30 members of al qaeda one was somebody are leased from guantanamo and returnedas recently as a day ago, this cleric admitted that major hasan, the alleged ft. hood shooter had contacted him on the internet to ask him if it was okay for a muslim to kill federal soldiers. now increasingly important. not as important as the afghan/pakistan border region but certainly maybe second. >> peter, let talk capabilities here. he thinks the alleged suspect may have started in nigeria, got on northwest flight 253 from amsterdam to detroit. at some point before the plane landed, and can i bring you what i've got now from delta airlines? they've given us a statement. upon approach to detroit a passenger caused a disturbance aboard northwest airlines flilgt 253. passenger was subdued immediately and the crew requested law enforcement meet the flight upon arrival. the flight operated by northwest using air bus # 330 aircraft with 200 passengers landed safely. passenger was taken into custody and questioned by law enforcement. that's the detail we have now. combine with the fact

>> we lee r released some from guantanamo that we killed in the battlefields in that region. it's a symptom of a larger challenge and how do you jude indicate this, and how do you make a determination and elbe incarcerate for a long time financial personally. some of these peemt should be incarcerated forever. i'm not surprise heed it happened, and we have to remind ourselves that the process and again, i take a look at this individual who has been charged individually, does that mean he gets his miranda warnings, the only information we get is if he volunteers it. he's not a citizen of this country. he's a terrorist, and i don't think he deserves the full range of protections of our criminal justice system embodied in the constitution of the united states. >> larry: you miss being in the hunt? >> i miss working with the extraordinary group of men and women who helped me build the department. frankly, i miss not knowing. you asked me some questions. i wish i could provide more specific information if it was possible to do so without inviting confidences. i stay in touch with

we did a poor job putting people in guantanamo. not careful about our intelligence and i remember at one place in my time before i went to afghanistan from another country with my station chief. being a palled by the quality of intelligence. people we had working on the system there. i don't think new entirely what we were doing. we had people we swept up accidentally and they were all probably bad by the time they left. we have not been as careful as we could have in some and have had good results in some places and poor in others. yeah men the go+ernment is very weak. on the new york trial, this is a gamble. i'm a little nervous about it and i share some of the callers worries but i say here again it execution not policy. if the trial comes off orderly without being public forum for the people to preach about their views and if it looks fair to the media and they're convictd to get good stiff sentences it could be great success for us. if it become as media circus, a propaganda forum for them and worse of all they get light sent

values by leaving them at home, which is why i have prohibited torture and will close the prison at guantanamo bay. we must make it clear to every man, woman, and child on the world who lives under the dark cloud of tyranny that america will speak out on behalf of their human rights and tender for the light of freedom and justice and dignity of all people. that is who we are. that is the source, the morrill source of america's authority. -- the moral source of america's authority. since the days of franklin roosevelt and our grandparents and great grandparents, our country has borne a special burden in global affairs. we have this bill american blood in many countries on multiple continents. -- we have spilled american blood in many countries on multiple continent. we spent our money to develop other countries. we have joined in the architecture of institutions from the united nations to nato to the world bank that provide for the common security and prosperity of human beings. we have not always been thanked for these efforts. and we have, at times, made mistakes. but more than any other nati

us in boston, pete is chairman executive director of vets for freedom pep served in iraq and at guantanamo. currently a captain in the army national guard. he's advocated for the deployment of more troops in afghanistan. in washington, john soltz, co-founder and chairman of govets.org. pete, what do you make -- i gather you supported the president's speech tonight? >> yes, i did. the core of his speech and the core of his plan were absolutely correct. at the end of the day he listened, for the most part, to his commanders on the ground. and the responses from mcchrystal and petraeus, publicly and prooftly is that they fully support the plan he's laid out and believe it can be implemented. he stood up in the face of great pressure from all sides and said i believe in the importance of this mission and i'm going to give my commanders what they need and ask our allies to pitch in as well. i have issues with the fact that he talked about a time line and hedged some other issues and made some other statements that weren't as robust as could be. he doubled the amount that president bush had ther

into thinking that if we're kind, that if we show them forbearance, that if we close places like guantanamoere we keep known, committed and hardened terrorists away from our soil, that that is what is going to keep us safe. and we have to understand that the key to all this is intelligence. when that man, that credible man, walked into the u.s. embassy in nigeria, the first thing the state department should have done was to find out whether or not this man, his son was issued a visa and revoked it. they had the authority to do it. that would have kept him off the plane right there. we didn't need to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on body scanners to keep him off the plane if they'd done that one thing. >> larry: alice, at this time of the year, is it more particularly difficult for you? >> yes, of course. but i live with the fact that my son will not be with me every day. and the word "hero" has been bandied about and abused. but my hero was casper sheringa, who jumped up, yanked this man out of his burning seat and thwarted hill. and was able to make up for several levels of failure

but guantanamo, they can close and bring the prisoners to the united states., keep them there. it does appeal to the left for the people in illinois, it's an economic development. they have this huge prison sitting there. it is isolated, secure. it already has dangerous prisoners in it. it seems like the best way of dealing with something he's going to have to deal with.xd it's amazing that citizens would think they are going to detour on other people's soil that we cannot keep them on ours. other countries are less than us so is that we can keep those folks from. that's my first point.Ñi with regards to the copen haguing and what chris called the age of obama. the republicans are more like parents that do preventive spanking where as the democrats use the naughty chair. >> exactly. that's quite right. i think the president does think things take a longer time. the president is willing to engage in this long-term diplomacy. it's good to think in those terms. the premier of china doesn't face those concerns. president obama does. if his party gets a preventativ

the united states for detainee -- guantanamo detainees. there's no money in this bill for that purpose. all in all it's a good bill, one i can support enthusiastically, as i think most of the members know, madam speaker, a member of other temporary issues have been added to this bill at the leadership level. and we do not object to that. we think that that is perfectly acceptable. in fact, we think it's a good idea in some of the cases. >> will the gentleman yield? mr. young: the ranking member on the full committee, who chaired this subcommittee for a few years, i'd like to yield to him, mr. lewis of california, who has been a major player in our defense appropriations for years. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from california is recognized. louis brandeis madam speaker, i very much -- mr. lewis: madam speaker, i very much appreciate my colleague for yielding. mr. murtha spent sometime at bethesda and the work he's done with mr. young, i reserve the balance of my time. mr. murtha: i'm prepared to yield back. mr. young: i yield back

other side perhaps led by dick chey, a movement that essentially sang barack obama is shutting down guantanamod 's ending things that healls torture, all this is gointo make us weaker. and they will say if g forbid thers ever any kind of an attack on ameran interests that obama encourad this. so here he is trying to doll these ings at once and i think all those things were in the speech. >> lehrer: joe bottum, do yo agree there's some polits at work here as well as mality and all ese other things we've been talking about >> for the president of e uned states, there is always politicst work, that's what it means to be the prident. so of courseou're right. and that onlcontributes to the kind of intellectual incerence of the speech. the estion, i think, which the verend forbes brought out is e we actually going to see a practical result from this? for politics it's the sciee of the praccal. is can be incoherent at some high lev, if a high level at which th speech was pitched. is iactually going to issue in a practical reading of that needle of finding those o sides and finding a y between them? i

we did a poor job putting people in guantanamo. is a gamble. i'm a little nervous about it and i share some of the callers worries but i say here again it execution not policy. if the trial comes off orderly without being public forum for the people to preach about their views and if it looks fair to the media and they're convictd to get good stiff sentences it could be great success for us. if it become as media circus, a propaganda forum for them and worse of all they get light sentences or get uh off it's a disaster and administration is rolling dice for heavy stakes. host: our guests are ambassador ronald neuman ambassador to afghanistan and we also have a book that he's published recently. the other war, winning and losing in afghanistan and former ambassador to pakistan william milam who has bangladesh and pakistan flirting with failure in southeast asia. that was published. what's the connection there? host: first of all they were two parts of the same country before 1971 really a'd secondly i was ambassador in both. [laughs

because that was the office that produced the torture memos that related to what is going on now, the guantanamo detainees and various cases going forward. other than that though it is the kind of office that really is in the headlines. it's not -- is a brainy office, it is not usually that prominent to the public it's very prominent among lawyers because it typically drawls someone very much interested in the constitution and intellectual side of the constitution. so a was a very good match -- >> host: small office, produces legal opinions for the administration including matters of constitutional law. >> guest: that's right. >> host: in a sense it is a training ground for a person like bill rehnquist or antonin scalia to be on the supreme court because when you say they do -- that office deals with a lot of things that might ultimately come before the supreme court. >> guest: that's right. as the head of that office he often sparred with members of congress. constantly going to testify before people like ed muskie, people like father robert dryden, very strong liberals who were skeptical of wh

you know, the guantÁnamo detainees of various cases going forward.other than that though, it's the office that rarely is in the headlines. it's a brainier office. is not usually that prominence to the public. but it is very prominent among florida because it typically drives someone who very much interested in the constitution and intellectual side of the constitution. so it was a very good match. >> host: is a small office, produces legal opinions for the administration, including matters of constitutional law. >> guest: that's right tremont and he says it's a pretty good training ground for a person like bill rehnquist or antonin scalia to be on the supreme court, because would you say that office deals with a lot of things that might ultimately come before the supreme court? >> guest: that's right. as head of that office, he often sparred with members of congress. he was constantly going up to testify before people like ed muskie, people like robert drinan. very strong liberals who were skeptical of what the ford administration was doing in terms

what i want to say to nancy pelosi and dick cheney, the reason i don't like what was going on at guantanamo bay is because it reminded me of how you all used to string black people up, put ropes around their neck, hang 'em naked while you beat with them. this health care bill, the fda is not watching out for us and it's simply a big bailout for the health industry for all these doctors and all this, and the last thing that i want to say is with these illegal aliens here, you can look at this housing crisis, you can look at this health care crisis, and you can look at this school crisis with these kids -- you say you don't want to leave any kids behind, but these schools are so filled up with illegal aliens, look at the grades that the fourth and eighth graders are getting. >> host: larry klayman, a couple of things there. why don't you focus on one of them, and we'll hour your response. >> guest: well, the thing i focused on is that dick is a patriot, he's someone who represents the way the american people feel today. american people are turned off by both political parties. american people

tomorrow, republican congressman, whose district includes the prison that will house transfer guantanamo bay detainees. we will get the tea party movement with dale robertson and north carolina center discusses the fight over health care -- senator discusses the fight over health care and the senate. >> still in time for the holidays, american icons on dvd, c-span's three original the visa on the iconic homes of the american government. it is only $24.95 plus shipping and handling. for this and more gifts, visit c-span.org/store. >> now richard holbrooke. to achieve military correspondent for "the new york times" moderate this discussion about u.s. strategy in afghanistan and pakistan. from the council on foreign relations, this is an hour. >> i would like to welcome you to the council of foreign relations meeting this evening, and this is an interesting event because we not only have the audience here, but we have the council of foreign relations members participating from around the nation. it is also being televised on c- span. it is a multi dimensional even with lots of participants.

my question is do they really think that moving these people from guantanamo to the united states for what either one of you guys want to serve on the jury? with the terrorist problems we have in the united states, that we know are out there, would you want to put your families in that kind of peril over the coming years, if you were to be on the jury to convict them? i mean, to me that is probably the silliest thing i've ever is moving up here. leave them down there and try them in a military tribunal and get them over with, were you don't know all the tourists are and that kind of stuff. -- who all the jurors are and that kind of stuff but i don't know anybody with the people i talk to in my home town, this area -- i cannot find anybody who would say, "i would like to be on that jury." guest: since september 2011, we have had success prosecuting terrorists here in the best gues -- in the u.s. guest: we have proven that our system can deal with the terrorist threat. i've been an expert witness for the government in over a dozen terrorist cases but i've never felt a threat to my life.