sister ping had the guatemala navy on the payroll.so they will actually bring people and and and people will come overland through mexico. and there's all kinds of interesting interactions between snakehead and coyotes who were there kind of analog on the mexican border. >> we have time for maybe one more question. >> nothing? >> thank you very much. >> thank you all for coming out. [applause] >> patrick radden keefe is a fellow at the century foundation. he's the author of "chatter: dispatches from the secret world of global eavesdropping." to find out more visit patrickraddenkeefe.com. >> ladies and gentlemen, i am delighted to see you all here at the british embassy, and of course a special welcome to harold evans and tina brown. we in the embassy are delighted to be participating in the launch of harry's book, my paperchase. the book covers and i've started reading it, the book covers a huge amount of ground from harry's childhood in the north of england and for a time, you won't know this, you are living and ankles a few hundred

in guatemala, i went to a exhumiation of a mass grave. and again something in my life i never imagined i would be in. i was in a mass grave while they were doing it. and the people there had been killed by the regime more than 25 years earlier. and while they were exhuming the victims, really excavating the graves, taking the dirt away, in the way that forensic -- the way the forensic experts do, which is painstakingly slow, the families of the men who were there -- they knew who was in this grave. they'd been there all this time. the families were gathered around. this went on for days, probably weeks. we were only there for a day. the wives, the children, even grandchildren of these people were there. they ate food at lunchtime. they watched. they talked among themselves. it was deeply, deeply moving. so long after to see these people so affected. and they were just getting the bones. they were in terrible conditions. they were just getting the bones crushed and strewn about in this grave. that's all they were getting. and it defined th

edwin bravo iseading a teamrom guatemala. for the mome, he's the director of emgency medicine here or, ahe explained, in the midst of another 20-ur day, not hospal medicine-- war medicine >> suarez: bravo says the st serious threat he's seeing now is infection in people who couldn be treated for a week before he seeshem-- lung infections fm inhaling dust from the rble, people who were trapped and unable to mo have ies laying eggs in their wounds. outside jimani, a tempory hospital-- before lasteek, this was an pty apartment building. now, it's a crowded hoital doing 80 surries a day. rk pinard is a haitian- amican doctor who has come here from neyork. he's treating people and sding them back to haiti, where ere is now help on the otheride of the border. >> braff. >> some of our physician re, daily would cross the boer and assure there is medication, theris personnel,kay, to take care of them. because have a lot of doors here, physicians, whcan handle that. >>uarez: in both facilities, international organitions and volunteers

in the theory that if you're going to be an employed you might as well be unemployed in mexico or guatemala didn't be unemployed in california or something. but i don't think that that perspective is very useful in terms of trying to get the economy moving again. because it's clear that our basic problems are macroeconomic. they are things that we have to deal with in terms of what goes on at the capital, in terms of stimulus spending and mostly in terms of what's going on at the federal reserve. and i think you kind of lose your perspective and start focusing on trees in the forest which is really what we have to be thinking about. >> host: you write in a book about the fiscal stimulus during the reagan administration. you write the ink was barely dry on the transportation bill in congress pressed ahead with emergency jobs act of 1983. this bill is basically a grab bag of miscellaneous porkbarrel projects that congress had slept together in name of job creation. most of the projects funded just happen to be in congressional districts of members of the house anenate appropriations committee

i guess on the theory if you're unemployed you might as well be unemployed in mexico as guatemala as be unemployed in california. but i don't think that that perspective is very useful in terms of trying to get the economy moving again because it's clear that our basic problems are macroeconomic. they're things we have to deal with in terms of what goes on at the capital, in terms terms of stimulus spending, and mostly in terms of what goes on at the federal reserve, and you kind of lose your perspective and start focusing on individual trees and miss the forest, which is really what we have to think about. >> host: you write about fiscal stimulus in. you said the ink was barely dry... >> host: there is any evidence that this sort of experience may happen with the stimulus bill? >> guest: it clearly did. a go deal of the money in the february stimulus package was just pork barrel stuff and things that members of congress have been wanting to get past and just needed some excuse, some must-pass legislation to get enacted. but one of the things i talk a lot about in the book is somethi

it was guantÁnamo, guatemala. it was certainly the last trip i had to guantÁnamo.ent reaction. that's the way i'll answer part of that. >> thank you, alan. i think it is definitely the personal experience has really shifted over the last couple of four or five years now. i sustained feeling of anger has stubbornly been there, particularly obviously at the perpetrators been a professional perspective a huge anger at the lawyers who were so instrumental in the architecture surrounding cia's retention. also, it would be definitely be missed not to mention feelings of futility at times, particularly when you do file case after case. you have these victories, but they are few and far between and don't necessarily reflect all the things that went into them. in particular, for example, it's very frustrating in the context of trying to get redress from the united states that the obama administration continues to embark the state secret privilege to block torture but the that of u.s. courts. i think at the end of the day, i mean, speaking sort of for my colleagues, we're in

it was guantanamo, guatemala, etc. it was certainly the last that i had to guantanamo.ople in my office have had a very different reaction that they are not here. the ones who really spent a lot of time in guantanamo. so that's the way i will answer part of that. >> thank you, alan. but not thank you for asking that question. i think it has definitely, the personal experience has shifted over the last couple, four or five years to. i have a sustained feeling of anger. of the people who are involved, the perpetrators and also from a professional perspective, a huge anger of the voters who were instrumental of the architecture surrounding tension, interrogation. also, you know, it would definitely be remiss not to mention feelings of futility at times. particularly when you do file case after case, you have these like victories but they are far and few between and don't necessarily reflect all the things that went into them. in particular, for example, it's a frustrating and the context of trying to get redress in the united states, that the obama administration continues

in the most undemocratic places and they found it in china, in mexico, in bangladesh, pakistan, guatemaland anyplace where penny wage workers are treated like the expendable pieces of equipment that they work with. in our country, now we need those jobs because people without jobs can't pay mortgages, they can't pay their health insurance, they can't buy cars, they can't plan for their children's future or even get enough food and clothing to meet their families' needs. unemployment also immediate -- means our federal deficits rise as people can't pay their way forward. unemployment and benefits are running out. state funds are depleted. our private charities are overwhelmed. the american people need work and they need good jobs. it's really that simple. we simply can't rest until we get our economy back on track and create jobs for everyone who wants to work. i hope it is to this subject, the economy and job creation, that president obama will direct his address tomorrow night. we know that under president bush we were hemorrhaging 734,000 jobs when he left at the end of his term and tho

have by sending a high-level diplomatic mission to meet with [unintelligible] and as i have from guatemalaypt, talking with leaders who are working to try to change their societies from within. we can amplify the voice is of advocates working on these issues by shining a spotlight on their progress. they often pursue their mission in isolation, often so marginalized within their own society. we can endorse the legitimacy of their efforts. we recognize these with honors like the women of courage award that first lady michelle obama and i presented earlier this year and the human rights defenders award i will present next month. and we can applaud others like vital voices and the lantos foundation that i do the same. we can give them access to public forums and continue to press for a role for non- governmental organizations and multilateral institutions. and we can unless other allies, like international labor unions who were instrumental in the solidarity movement in poland, where religious organizations who are championing the rights of people living with hiv/aids in africa. we can help a

it has happened to nicaragua, guatemala.st: a tweet -- guest: what we have right now is a situation where you have hundreds of thousands of people that are without structure. when we say rebuild, i think it is important to understand these things -- one, get some of the density out of haiti. you have people that are buried in the rubble. i think it is important that everyone understands if we do not have a situation where we can put a structure on a community, for patients to be able to house themselves, we would have a situation for the dominican republic, the united states, all of the countries around. it is a problem that the world would have to face hos. host: charles on the democratic line. dallas, texas. caller: i was listening to some people on the radio say that there are a lot of people who still need help. when you get to haiti, i would like to say -- after you are done with haiti, i would like to see us create some jobs. i am happy what we are doing, but we also need to look at what is happening at home. guest: yo