identify got joy reid from msnbc, ann guerin from "washington post," and my colleague here, ben ginsburgf the wood, as they say in the words of -- the wood is likely to be trump and sanders swamp new hampshire. >> that's right. >> that's a big deal. >> it's a huge deal and it will speak to the moment that's happening in this political cycle, where not only insurgent outside candidates are doing so well, but there's a moment and a movement behind them that really wants to, you know, stick it to the establishment and stick it to the man, whatever. there's an impulse on both sides, we're seeing very different kinds of candidates emerge. but the same impulse applies. >> you know, ben, we were just joking, it's as if eugene mccarthy and pat buchanan, two of the most famous, both on the left and the right who have used new hampshire to send messages. they're on the ballot in the same cycle. >> you're right, they really are. and it's made for all sorts of unpredictable turns. it will be really interesting to see how it plays out down the road when you get to south carolina, nevada, and the mash