of the things are should be both well let's take for example one of most famous paintings history guernica bypass or that was a protest picture that was a picture about the bombing of a area which he which he found actually appalling and what's that taking to another pain sitting behind a desk in nature has become the emblem of anti war so if you ask me but i think from the greatest paintings are made with but actually to do was to do with the protests in some way or other joel tell me a bit infest this divide there's the public through their view of the of the asking the question of what exactly is this is one of the handbags that i make which has to do with process and this one particularly is about our st james' gardens in euston so when people see me with this bag they always ask they say oh that's a lovely handbag or they say what is that about it be surprise the people from all walks of life. you will sort of see a handbag you would expect a man to ask about him but they day and that is a great way of getting a message stays just very flat oddly i've just done a lot of it and i under

can speak to toby kaplan his an international human rights lawyer and co-founder of the law firm guernica 37 joining us live from london thanks for talking to us at the u.n. mission in libya has raised the prospect of this being categorized as a war crime do you think it is. yes absolutely. obviously the fingers being pointed at the moment. clearly for and his relief after and his his troops this is not the 1st time they've talked to tripoli and certainly not the 1st time he's been accused of committing war crimes crimes against humanity but certainly this attack on the face of it. is is to be considered walker and there's no military justification for the attack it is a civilian target civilian casualties so we will have to see what comes out of the u.n. security council no but certainly opposition is it constitutes a war crime there could it be argued to be that there are many levels of responsibility in this tragedy what was a detention center for migrants doing in such close proximity to military death is for instance i mean there the authority is living with or it is that's where the