a british journalist named guido fox, something tells me not his real name, and among the people linked to this or associated with this effort is piers morgan of cnn former editor of not a part of the british murdoch empire over interest, and guido fox points out that in a 2005 memoir, piers morgan wrote, now, this is how it could happen how you could tap anybody's phone. he denies any association, important to say he denies he and his paper did anything wrong, he were to say if it did happen, this is how you do it. >> does that somehow justify? >> no, a larger culture. i think when the smoke clears and-- >> and alan, he never said that. >> that's what the implication is. >> jim started out by saying that these tactics were reprehensible. >> of course. >> i think we all agree on that. >> let's try to spread it around a little bit. >> and wait a minute. >> let's be sure that everybody who did it stops doing it. >> another element brought up by al new hart, usa today and his column op friday says there's an appetite for this kind of news, if there wasn't, that the product wouldn't be ther