. >> this is the 50th year of guidon versus wanwright. we have not seen that enacted.he resource that has not been tapped, those facing charges and their families and love ones. public defender offices are strapped. case loads are out of hand. they don't have enough resources. families can be exptensions of legal defense teams, to allow the right of council to be realized, not just something that is aspirational. >> critics say you do great work, but you don't differentiate between gang members and people who have gotten caught up in a first time nonviolent drug offense. what do you say to that. >> we're espousing a very basic mesh principle, everyone has the right to defense and everyone has the right to council, despite what's in your bank account. that is not highly politicized. it's fundamental to the judicial system. we're just trying to make sure the system is operating. >> those who say you're naive in that you don't -- maybe you see those two kinds of crimes, say, a very violent crime versus one that's nonviolent, how do you decide which causes to champion? >>