ramp to guilford is closed. but for delays on the b-w parkway southbound -- look for delays on the b-w parkway southbound. wet roads are an issue. this is 95 at the tydings memorial bridge. so far so good in this area. that is the latest on traffic pulse 11. >> thank you. a colorado movie theater. a teenager was wearing a joker mask. several moviegoers' ran screaming from the theater. the teenager said he wore it to scare his friends. a bandit snow boarders were spotted but they remain trapped on the mountainside. they got lost during a snowstorm. they took shelter overnight by digging a snow cave. rescue crews will try to reach them at first light. police want to talk to john mcafee about the death of this neighbor. investigators are pursuing multiple leads. >> two more retailers will open their doors on thanksgiving day. target will open on 9:00 p.m. target will give out $10 gift cards to customers that spend $50 or more. there will stagger their discounts throughout the holiday weekend. confine a gift in sing

another at guilford and madison street.charles street and 21st street, continued watermen closures -- continued water main closures. 11 minutes in the outer loop west side on 795 down towards 95 on the south side. you can see the roads are wet. this is 95 at the fort mchenry. harbor tunnel traffic looks about the same. no delays at the area bridges. that is the latest on traffic pulse 11. >> an investigation into serious allegations into a baltimore city police officer. >> the officer is accused of assaulting a woman while on duty. kim dacey has the latest on the investigation. >> officer elliott simon has been suspended without pay. police are not saying when the alleged contact took place. they just learned about it over the weekend. anthony batts described 39- year-old simon as a 13-year veteran. he was assigned to the northwest police district. police are not releasing his picture. they received a complaint against simon alleging he had assaulted a female. >> this agency is to keeping people accountable for -- >> this a

you're able to actually travel down it and make a left onto guilford avenue to get downtown, but it's a very active scene still. repairs have not been finished. no word yet on when this 30- inch main will be fixed. now, all of the water has been restored to everyone impacted in the area, businesses, residents, but, again, still going to be an issue. you will want to expect congestion and use 83 or calbert street to get around all the delays. no delays right now on the jfx, and if you are headed out to the beltway, this is what it looks like on the west side at liberty road. you're looking at a 12-minute ride right now on the outer loop from 795 down towards 95 and inner loop will be clear through pikesville. here's what it looks like an hartford road, no problems to report whatsoever. you're looking at normal conditions. 11 minutes right now to travel the outer loop from 95 all the way up to 83. and the northeast corridor of 95 going to be in great shape. no delays right now in white marsh. it's going to take you 15 minutes to travel southbound from 695 all the way downtown. that's a

there are closures at madison and guilford avenue. otherwise, falls road were shut down at 7:00 and that will remain until 3:00 on sunday. only local this is traffic can access falls road. 11 minutes in the outer loop north east side. volume is rather light. here's a quick, live look at traffic. this is the j.f.x. at ruxton road. volume is moving well towards 28 straeet. more volume on 295 down towards 32. a nice start. that is the latest on traffic pulse 11. >> a pair of men will appear in court to enter for the murder of three young children. they're accused of killing their relatives back in 2004. there were convicted and sentenced to life during a second trial. that ruling was overturned. >> new clues involving a deadly home invasion in west baltimore. two brothers were killed and their mother was injured. jennifer franciotti is live with the latest on the investigation. >> police are looking for a group of men who broke into the home and shot a mother and her two sons multiple times. police are looking for three or four suspect i

madison avenue between fallsway and calvert and guilford remain closed, as well as the guilford off ramp from jfx. on philadelphia road, and affected -- it affected water service. this is five days after a 50- inch line burst on charles and 20th street. you may have seen some sleet mixing in that rain. pretty amazing. the showers moving and the forecast for today, we are expecting the showers to end. the sunshine breaking al. many of you will have seen those showers. temperatures sure our chili. this pattern is going to end in to the next couple of days. i will talk about that when we come back in the forecast. >> lots of people are unhappy with the elections, and so i'm happy some states have filed petitions to secede from the u.s. the petitions cite the declaration of independence as permission for the people to institute a new business -- a new government. the to doesn't fall presidential election in the rearview mirror, some people -- the 2012 presidential election in the rearview mirror, some people already thinking about 2016. martin o'malley is seen as a possible candidate. secret

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he pleaded guilty to 19 counts and he--guilford and her husband will appear and her husband is one to speak on behalf of the family. the man opened fire on guilford at a public event occurs in a parking lot of this supermarket in tucson, arizona. he killed six people and wounded 13 including guilford. >> the man accused of making the anti is some fem has been sentenced to one year in prison. this sentence is not for the movie but because he used an alias which violated his probation. dismal with pro traced the profit mohammed and a naso with light. >> it is 6:28 a.m.. >> we are just two minutes away from the opening bell on wall street. @ñ [ boy 1 ] hey! that's the last crescent. oh, did you want it? yea we'll split it. [ female announcer ] made fresh, so light, buttery and flakey. that's half that's not half! guys, i have more! thanks mom [ female announcer ] pillsbury crescents. let the making begin too bad the guys aren't here we're clear. ok, swarm! swarm! hello [ female announcer ] pillsbury chocolate chip cookies. let the making begin line we are back as 6:30 a.m.. >> yesterday-

you need to avoid madison between falls way and guilford. you will need to use 83, calvert or monument street instead. this is a mile away from last week's water main break. now landville street will be closed at charles street and 20th street is shut down from st. paul to maryland. your best alternate routes are calvert and the jfx. i'll be tracking it tomorrow on good morning maryland tomorrow morning. >>> continuing coverage of the water main break on north charles. the break last wednesday sent so much water gushing into the streets that it took days for the crews to tackle some of the repairs. the department of public works said they're still working to get the main repaired and the fix -- street fixed as well. >>> look at the temperatures today, peeking at 70 in har but toc. 65 towson. we're down to the low 60s. here's what's coming, big line of rain. it arrives later tonight and will linger. a dry evening. the chances for rain going up. we'll talk about the rest of the forecast beyond. >>> new developments to tell you about in the aff

watch for continued closures around madison and guilford and charles harbour towards 21st. only local traffic getting through toward lafayette. delays falling into place on the west side. liberty down toward edmonton. harford road coming internet and backups from hartford over toward dealing the valley. dos delays will stretch back to 79/. that is the latest -- to 795. >> the clouds are still with us. the disturbance has moved up. most of it on the eastern shore, south of centreville. cambridge and blocked in a ritzes.spli hear on tv here, the carters 38 degrees. let us take a look at where temperatures have been and where they are going. temperatures were in the 60's a couple days ago. we are born to be just below that mark as we head toward thanksgiving. our temperatures this morning, 38 on t.v. hill, 34 annapolis. 34 sells vealisbury. the futurecast shows this shower activity. not very significant a all. the key is that the clouds and in virginia. this is moving to the northeast. high pressure off to our west will dominate this front. no rain, it will wash out. weather i

you are actually able to make a left and get downtown on guilford. as the morning rush does progress, you will want to anticipate delays. use 83. this is a look at the scene yesterday. you can see a lot of work under way. they made significant progress, all of the water had been restored to residents and businesses in the mount vernon neighborhood. but no word yet on when the 30- inch main will be repaired. it could take quite a while. about a mile away from this scene we're still dealing with last week's massive water main break. it continues to shut down north charles street. that's going to be right between north avenue and 21st street. your best alternate routes are 83 and calvert street. you're taking a live look downtown right now at 95 at 395. traffic moving right along. there are no delays through the fort mchenry tunnel or the harbor tunnel. and if you are using the 695 here in parkville, no problems to report. it will be an easy ride. normal conditions, just 11 minutes on the outer loop from 95 up to 83, inner loop also going to be clear do

you can make a left onto guilford avenue. as the morning rush does start to pick up, you will want to expect delays. this was the scene yesterday. as you can see, construction workers hard at work trying to fix this water main break. no word yet on when it will be. they have made significant progress. that is going to be the good news. you can stick with 83 as your alternate route. we are still dealing with a water main break on north charms street. that does remain blocked from 21st street to north avenue. 83 going to be your best alternate route or you can use calbert street instead. as we check in and take a live look at the west side of the beltway here at liberty road, traffic moving right along. no delays 95. [ inaudible ] that's a look at your traffic. charley, over to you. >>> 4:33. and firefighters pull a person from a burning home. this is breaking news for you from overnight. what we know right now is that crews pulled a woman in her 60s from a home on blake court in reisterstown. that's not far from the bill's bas

you're able to take that and make a left onto guilford avenue to get downtown. here's what it looks like, construction under way and that will continue today. they made major progress yesterday, but this is a 30- inch main, so it's going to take a little while to fix, but, again, the roadway will be reopened. not so lucky, though, on north charles street. there was a break last week there and that does remain shut down from north avenue to 21st street. we, of course, will bring you the very latest developments on both breaks as they do develop. now, if you are traveling out on the roads this morning, this is what 95 looks like downtown at 395. traffic moving right along. there are no delays through the fort mchenry tunnel, harvard tunnel also going to be in great shape. as we take a look at the abc 2 news time saver traffic drive times, you'll notice no problems to report on the beltway. normal conditions, lech-minute ride right now on the outer loop from 95 all the way up to 83. no problems to report over on the west side. you're looking at an 11-minute ride as

madison street of the guilford avenue, water main repairs.ch foreclosures -- and watch for closures. a local traffic is the only thing getting by. on 95 from the beltway south west to 32, 11 minutes. as a live look a traffic. 795 at owings mills, traffic going away from us. not enough to an amount to a delay. that is the latest on traffic pulse 11. >> you could call this -- as president obama meets from leaders from both parties to talk about how to prevent tax hikes from kicking and. >> we have been hearing about an operation so far. time to practice what they have been preaching. >> that is right. the president and top leaders in congress will meet today, but it remains to be seen where the talks will fall on the skill of compromise and versus confrontation. everyone does agree on wanting, this country should not go over the fiscal cliff, that package of tax hikes and spending cuts slated to go into effect at the end of the year. the white house and president are pushing a plan for more than $1 trillion for taxes on the wealthy, but that is

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yeeterday's wattr main break at east maaiion streee near guilford avenue... only adds to a list of otherr backing up &praffic here this morning. morning.megan gilliland is live rom the most recent - break with more on how things - long it's going to take to fii. &p3 gooddmorning guyssyyu can see this area is blocked off... shut down to 3 all raafic s crews worr to repair the 0-inch line that broke underground.this scenn actually looks a lot better than it did yesterday. yesterday.take a look.thhs was burstt.. 11 feet below the streets surfaceeyou can see the water gushing out ffoo every crevice.turning this road into a river.as yet comes to a standstill.a public - works spooesman says áageá is & the main factor with the recent breaks.some of the pipes are well over a hundred years old.and no doubt... need replaced... but it doesn't - ccme cheap. 3 kurt ocher, baltimore dept. it's just our own water bills that are paying for thii. &pwaatr nfrastructure work thht also creates real jobs or real people to dd real things -3 that arr absoluuely nncessary. that is r

. >> water shot up dramatically between guilford and calvert. we have more on it. another week. >> reporter: if you're keeping score at home, that's about four water main breaks in about two weeks. crews are poised to do their repairs this evening. the break is about half has large as the one last week. some businesses and homes either lost their water all together, about 19 or had decreased pressure like was the case at mercy hospital. the cause, as it always is, is either weather or age or a combination of both. it's been said before and we'll say it again, baltimore's infrastructure is old. some could date back to the 1800's. the latest break is a recent example of how the city is ramping it up from five mile has year to 40. >> we're below five mile has year. over the next year we go to 20, 25, 30, 35, 40. >> reporter: now the cost will come out of your rising water bills but they are repairs that dpw said need to happen. the new pipe has been delivered here in mt. vernon while crews inspect and remove the damaged ones. reporting live in mt. vern no brian kueble

this is a 16-inch main that broke between calvert and guilford streets. crews tried to fix the main. look at the size of the water main. >> huge. >>> many consider it your obligation to vote. one woman was so mad at her husband for avoiding the polls, she tried to run him over with her car. >> get ready for more airline fees. overweight passenger, they're coming after you. >> this is abc2 meteorologist wyatt everhart, rain putting down half an inch across the baltimore area. the cool winds come. how does the rest of the week shape up? we've got that answer right after this. i'm going to dream about that tiramisu. what a night, huh? but, um, can the test drive be over now? head back to the dealership? [ male announcer ] it's practically yours. but we still need your signature. volkswagen sign then drive is back. and it's never been easier to get a passat. that's the power of german engineering. get $0 down, $0 due at signing, $0 deposit, and $0 first month's payment on any new volkswagen. visit vwdealer.com today. well, inside the brewer, there's a giant s

at east madison streettnear guilford avenue. avenue.it broke during yesterday's mmrning commute.... and is still backing up traffic at this hour.tom rodgers has more on what aaong wwth your other top stori. phe area issstill blockee off &pall traffic as crews work to repair the 300inch lineethat broke 17-feet below the surfacc.despite it's depth... when it buuted... the water came shooting up.you can see from this video... t was really just gushing out from everyycrevice.turning this another ection of the city comes tooa standstiil. (man in jean jacket)"iis juss theepipes are so oll"(1st man)man for real... if you ask me it looks llke the harbor.. laugh""we dont haae any water pressure in the building right now" this morning... neerby residentt and busineses still have little or no water flowinn through their pipes. there's no worddon how long this ne will take to fix. pees than twoomiles from his break... the monummnt ssreet sinkhole doess't seem to be getting any better.heavy rains have pussed thh prooect back to now mid-december. so far... the sinkhole is proving to be very costt

it caused heavy street near guilford avvnue. off and nearby residentt have little, or no water flowing through their pipes. 3&the... story.. is... getting familiar... for folks downtown. downnown.paul gessler has covered several major breaks in the past few mooths. mmnnhss he is downtown now to tell us what the city is doing about them.paul-- you can almost use the same jjst substitute he details. ...the roaddand the size of the main.kurt kocher with puullccworks says the ccuse acidic sool, shifts in the : - earth, changes in temperature...but the number oneeccuse undouutedly: is age. thess piies are old.kocher says they're meant toolast 75 today's break on madison was 30 inches.another breek on phhladelphia road in esssx was 16 inches.last 60 inchee.(they're still prying to fix that.)koohee saas they've secured $300 million dollarr-- mainly rom yoor and my water bills.it starts ith doing 20 mileesof pipes y next year.working up to 150 miles oo the ccty pipelinn in the nexx five yeaas. kurt kocher, baltimore dept. of publii work

the first happened in baltimore city at madison and guilford avenue is where it 30 inch main burst. residents and businesses experienced a loss of water are lower water pressure as a result. madison between faldway to clavert -- calvert remain closed. dpw crews are dealing with a 16 inch pipe break in rosedale. that happen on philadelphia wrote. affected water service by -- at hospital nearby. officials say they hope to have overnight.epaired this comes five days after a 60 inch line adopted on north charles and 20th street. >> maryland state police say to people are dead and three others hurt after a tractor trailer overturned on to a pickup truck in liberty town. a tractor trailer was traveling north on route 75 around 2:00 this afternoon when it rounded a sharp curve. the truck overturned as plant into a pickup truck traveling south. two people in the pickup truck were pronounced dead at the scene. three others were taken to area hospitals. the accident is under investigation. officials in anne arundel county i try to figure out what sparked a fire in severn. in the 300 block of

and guilford avenue. 64 on the b-w parkway from 100 down towards 197.running smoothly on 70 towards the airport. this is 95 at the fort mchenry. moving well through the tunnel. area bridges in great shape. running smoothly on 95 down towards the fort mchenry and beyond. that is the latest on traffic pulse 11. now let's get the latest on the buses and the trains. for that we go to kurt kronke of the mta system. good morning. >> we have a more trained delay on 841, running 10 to 50 minutes late. -- we have a train delay, camden 851, 10 to 15 minutes late. now back to tony pann. >> good morning. high pressure is in control on the east coast. the front is now off the coast. there is a disturbance in the midwest that may mix with the front and creates some cloud cover over the next few days. high pressure is from canada and we have some chilly air. temperatures in the 20's and 30 p's. 27 in frederick. 32 degrees in catonsville. you may have to scrape some frost off your windshield this morning. there will not be much wind. into the sunshine, it will not be t

you're able to take that down and make a left onto guilford avenue to travel all the way downtown. but as the morning rush does progress, you will want to expect congestion. and this was a look at the scene from yesterday. you'll notice a lot of construction in the area. that will be the same case. they did, however, make a lot of progress yesterday, the 30- inch main that did burst and no word yet on exactly when it will be finished. you will want to stick with calvert street or 83 instead to avoid the delays. if you are traveling this morning, 83 going to be your best option. and this is what it looks like just north of 695. normal conditions in the area, no problems traveling from southbound from 695 all the way to downtown. that stretch will take you just 11 minutes. and the beltway nice and clear all the way around you're looking at an 11-minute ride on the outer loop 95 to 83 and there are no problems to report on thed of the beltway. no normal conditions there as well. traveling the outer loop from 795 to 95, you're looking at an 11-minute stretch. charley, over to you. >>>

madison at guilford avenue continues to be shut down.alls road were shut down until sunday at 3:00 for debris removal. those closures could affect a lot of commuters. it will be closed for through traffic -- area businesses should be able to access that area. no sign of the debris at 95 and route 24. this is 795 -- liberty road. that is the west side of the beltway. looking at building volume down towards the beltway. no delays to report. that is the latest on traffic pulse 11. now let's get the latest on the buses and the trains. for that we go to kurt kronke of the mta system. good morning. >> we have a few buses with delays. 14 and 77 buses operating with delays. three, 11, 64 buses diverting around charles and north. marc trains are looking good without any delays. mta metro and more transit team updates are available by phone and afternoon's 3:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. at 410-500-4444. now back to tony pann. >> thank you appeared the weather will be pretty quiet. first we say good morning to ava marie. she is showing off her tennis skill

guilford avenue, madison it monument, water main break repairs.gnificant delays just prior to the bill wyeth, but on marriottsville to its 29, you will find delays. in the area of st. margaret's -- actually, they have changed it to the harrisburg expressway because we have delays there as well. that is the latest on traffic pulse 11. over to you, tony. >> nothing going on weather- wise. it is cold, though. 27 in frederick, 35 in parkton. it will still be chilly, but not much of a breeze. high-temperature about 49 this afternoon. seven-day forecast going into the weekend, the clouds will thicken up a little bit. high temperatures in the 50's. >>> from matt damon to bradley cooper, the last five years of the sexiest man alive right there, so the question this morning, who will be "people's" pick this time around? we will reveal it to the world in just a bit. i'm savannah guthrie alongside willie geist in for matt. >> going to make a joke. >> it's just that you appear in this issue, do you not? >> we'll find out later. >> okay. >> i'm not the only on

part of east madison street neaa guilford tte lattst massiie water main bbeak.here's a look at the seeeen cairns reports, it haapen innthe piddle of a busy mmnnay morning coomute, affecting people heading downtown. 3 (voice only)"this issmt vernon" the pavement on east madison street errpts like a volcano... the water pressure spews everything froo pebblls o pavement... (1st man)man for real....if you ask laugh"theebusted pipeeis 17 feet below the streets &surface jacket)"itt just the pipes are so old" and the water gushes from every crevice.. (voice: falls.."water pours over the center... trapping some et - cars... whileeothers... escape. (james scott))the watee was about right heree.." tte wheels onn james scott's car... were itt i do want to hug it!..im g proud of her she made it with the waterrrising... - crrws measure the depth... (publli works )"were working to shut down aa20 nch main to take some pressure off of thhs" (cairrs)"even this blockkof tte allsway is undeewaa even the sidewalk.. there are more then 38 hundred miles of water more then 50 yrs old. " an ts outside show...

shutting down madison as well as guilford avenue from monument to madison. they spent the day replacing the pipes and giving out water to affected residents in the meantime. last week, a 60-inch water main broke sending water going down one of the main north-the south corridors. no word on when to service will be completely restored. tonight, the catholic churches on a potential collision course with the obama administration. the u.s. conference of bishops is meeting in baltimore and they expressed concern about what they see as the weakening of religious liberty in the united states. david collins joins us from downtown with more. >> the leader of the congress says the catholic church will never comply with president obama's birth control health care mandate. of youre a channel peace ♪ >> protesting outside of the partisan and heated rhetoric. from the pulpit, giving catholics an ultimatum. the delivered a 25,000 signature petition calling on church leaders to reconsider the perceived alliance with the gop. >> having letters read every mass, saying your sou

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public works crews are still working to fix the break up a 30-inch main at madison and guilford ave iny. crews have just finish repairing a 16-inch water main break in rosedale. that one broke near rossville boulevard. here sarah caldwell and traffic pulse 11. >> in addition to water main break closures in the city, the impact is being felt on the southbound side from route 439 all the way to the beltway. southbound 795 from franklin boulevard to the belt way. west side delays in place, outer loop but belair road. charles street and 21st street, southbound 95, those delays in place. 14 miles per hour on average to the 895 split. south and delays are just inching along towards the beltway. that is the very latest on traffic pulse 11. >> still pretty solid area of light rain no showing up on hd doppler. extending back towards hagerstown. moving east at a slower clip and it will be around for 3 or four at hours. temperatures are in the low to mid-forties at the present time partly cloudy skies this afternoon. high temperatures in the upper high temperatures in the upper 40's and low 50s.

closures on madison and guilford and trusted and north ave due to water main break repairs.oop, picking up in volume on the inner loop from 795 towards the j.f.x. on the j.f.x., 21 miles per hour on average from the beltway downtown. this is what it looks like on the j.f.x. that is the pace of things on ruxton road. live view of traffic at security, the west side delays are in place. that is the latest on traffic pulse 11. >> we are starting with cloud cover but no precipitation. should not be a problem for the morning commute. 41 at the airport, 34 in part, 35 in jarrettsville. most of the rain will miss us to the south. slight chance for a sprinkle this evening and early tonight. other than that, no problem with rain. high temperatures in the upper 40's and low 50s. that is several degrees below average. we will call it a mixture of clouds and sunshine. going into the weekend, not much change. high temperatures are going to be in the lotus 2-mid-50s. slight chance we will see a little bit of rain next week. the% chance for the start of all of the week. >>> 8:00 now on this

this is a chart published by two authors, published by the guilford center at harvard. it's very interesting. and they've attempted to capture the ways in which these ideas of different objectives use of force of cyber attack, different effects of a computer intrusion might trigger different responses. and so you can see here in the chart there are differences between offensive objectives, defense of the objectives, informational objectives in which is to say perhaps espionage, criminal activities. but these things can interrelate in very complex ways. so finally because i want to leave a few minutes for questions, i think, i just want to make one observation about domestic law in this area. so, the u.s. has obviously been speaking a lot about military activity in cyberspace. congress and the defense authorization act and 2011 said quite clearly it is congress does you that the department of defense, the president may conduct offensive operations in cyberspace. consistent with international legal norms. although i think international law generally applies in cyberspace,