guiliani said about it. -- rudy guiliani said about i- guiliani said about iguiliani said about i>> michael avenotti. said about isaid about it. >>> as the special counsel's investigation continues, there is a name that hasn't come up much, which is ivanka trump. she's not just the president's daughter, she's his adviser and played a key role in the investigation the mueller team may be holding back on calling her in for questioning for now because they're waiting for the last possible moment, knowing the president will not take it well if they called her in as a witness. rudy gel aguiliani was about about targeting her in anyway. here's what he said. >> if they do, do ivanka, which i well, they will turn on him. >> what about his son-in-law? they talked about him? >> jared is a fine man. you know that. but men are you know disposable. but a fine woman like ivanka, c'mon. >> with me is jennifer rogers and michael the antonio. do you think hearing rudy guiliani saying that, do you think that's a warning to special counsel mueller or a statement of his belief in. >> i think it's a lit

he did not say exactly about what rudy guiliani did not have his facts straight about and guiliani is it not clarify matters with a statement late today. quote, there is no campaign violation, it reads. the payment was made to resolve a personal and false allegation in order to protect the president's family. it would have been done in any event, whether he was a candidate or not. my references to timing were not describing my understanding of the president's knowledge but instead my understanding of these matters. now, maybe it's because i did not go to law school, but i have no idea what that last sentence means. quote, my references to timing were not describing my understanding of the president's knowledge, but instead my understanding of these matters. guiliani was apparently referring to his claim on fox and friends yesterday that the president only fully learned about his repayments to cohen, monthly bills totaling nearly half a million dollars very recently. >> he didn't know the details of this until we knew the details of it, which is a couple weeks ago. maybe not even a cou

carol, you've talking to rudy guiliani. im today. alked to why did the mayor choose now to try to get out in front of this issue and talk about it as something that wast a campaign violation, campaign finance violation, theseen pa to cohen? carol: it really freaked out a lot of people in house because they didn't know this was coming on "fox & friends"erntil they lly tuned into the show. but, clearly, according to some of thosere advisers whoow trying to get up to speed, what happened was rudy had long conversation with the president about stormy daniels and the payment to cohen and he decided to get in front and clear up this mess by telling people what had happened, that there had beenepayment. the problem was, rudy created me another smal. legally you don't know exactly whether it put the president in more jeopardy but it clearly muddled the waters in the worst way. robert: when you look, julie, inside of the white house this week, what's going on with the president's legal advice? you have ty cobb leaving. he was prefecture coope

guiliani admitted he paid the money, that's only one of the shockers out of guiliani's mouth.cal experts. jeffrey toobin, the entire time we've known about this payment from michael cohen to stormy daniels, we've heard from the white house and the president that he had no knowledge of the payment. let's watch some of the denials. >> there was no knowledge of any payments from the president and he has denied all these allegations. >> the president strongly, clearly, consistently denied the underlying claims. >> the president denied the allegations, we have spoken about this issue extensively. i don't have anything else to add. >> did you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? do you know where he got the money? >> no. >> what do you think about guiliani's strategy in all this? we know he said he spoke to the president before, jeffrey, he spoke to him after the initial appearance. what do you think about what he's done here? >> well, i think at some level he had no choice because i think the key event we have to remember is that michael cohen's office was searched by

guiliani. >> i would love to. nobody wants to speak more than me. >> brennan: president trump told reporters he's eager to talk to special counsel robert mueller but what he said about stormy daniels' case that could put him in legal jeopardy as guiliani's defense backfires. we'll talk to kellyanne conway and attorney for stormy dan else michael avenatti. we'll look ahead to the upcoming summit to north korean leader kim jong-un. and british ambassador will talk about saturday's deadline for president to decide if formally pull out of the iran nuclear deal. the former head of the cia and nsa, michael hayden has a new book out, "the assault on intelligence." he'll also join us. plus we'll have plenty of political and legal analysis on all the news coming up on "face the nation." welcome to "face the nation." i'm margaret brennan. it has been a week of legal twists and turns beginning with a shocking leak to the "new york times" of the question that special continental rocket mueller wants to ask

hink about the comey walk back today by guiliani. they're worried it seems wun alk to people close to this legal team that the president could be in some kino peril legally about obstruction of justice. if the intent on the comey firing last year is seen as something that was done to end the russia probe, rather than for another reason related to his conduct. kimberly: absolutely. that is one of the things rudy guiliani was tal about, giving all these alternate reasons for things like whypr t ident fired jim comey. that was different both from whatff theial reason given and also from what the president himself said he actually confirmed comey's own account that he was concerned about the president really publicly wanting comey to publicly exonerate him in this way. i think it's really interesting that we have seen this rudy guiliani come in to be, you know, the former prosecutor and he can go and he knows mueller and he is goi to reinhis thing in but he went from legal position to p.r. position and really went back to the rudy guilia

i think rudy guiliani is out there free-lancing an awful lot. team that they're very happy he's out there free-lancing because it is has been cathartic for the president to have him out there. doesn't help him much with bob mueller now, the special counsel, but rudy guiliani is out there doing what the president wants him to do. but in terms of the question and the story that dana broke yesterday about whether you can indict a sitting president, getting a direct answer, i think he wanted it out there for one reason and that is that his legal team believes that you can therefore, and you're the lawyer here, i'm not, that you can therefore not subpoena the president to testify if he cannot be charged with a crime. so say they were going to be talking about obstruction. why would you have to know his state of mind, for example, if you're never going to charge him with it. this will be one of the arguments clearly that they would make if bob mueller wants him to testify. >> what do you say? >> first thing, if it is true mueller decided you cannot in

that is guiliani. >> really? >> i am giving awe a tip. trump. he's out to get you. >> sean: joy behar, is not a genius. and rudy guiliani said on the program, he was offered the job and he regretted turning it down. she didn't pay attention. and we'll have sebaeftian gorkan and secret service agent dan. starting with you. all of the things that the mayor said last night. and the president's attorney said last night about hillary and about mueller and about comey and the investigation, huge news that he's making here, and they focus on 30 seconds because that's where the corrupt media goes. they don't want to hear the truth. >> first things first. i have to congratulate you, you are getting close to the president's record for living rent free in the mind of the liberal left wing media. they are obsessed with you. and i like how they sfent the whole day. they selected one-half of a sentence from the mayor's statement and they missed the beginning. amongst other things that's the reason why he was fired. and these people inventory passed year one i

guiliani said it was not that. listen here. >> it was only a bombshell in the sense it blew up their case. this whole case began as illegal campaign contribution. $130,000. must have been campaign funds. they go after, and they invade cohen's office as a lawyer, disgraceful. i do not know how they can put their signatures on that affidavit. but they do. >> one possible sticking point, though, in order to make that payment of $130,000 michael cohen had to take out a loan, draw on his home equity line of credit, for then which the mayor says that the president paid him back. so, that might get into a little bit of a gray area legally. one thing interesting to point out, melissa, this whole thing was cooked up between juflianie, the president, and outside legal counsel jay sekulow last night. no one at the white house knew it was going to happen. and everyone was absolutely floored when those words came out of rudy guiliani's mouth. >> melissa: there you go. john roberts, lots to talk b for more, we're joined by our f

guiliani, not guiliani, trump needs the money to cover up his problems, for expansion of his bes to cover the debt his son picked up on 666. all this need for money, supply and demand. trump's wanted money the russians got it. now the russians got him on a hook. >> another argument for getting big money out of politics. i don't know he had internationally as well. it's a corrupting influence in our politics. >> they didn't want the money for politics. he wanted it for trump. >> yeah, but the lobbyists are giving away money for their special interest was. putin is buying what he's paying for. >> he's buying our country. >> it's an investment. >> absolutely an investment. i'm sure they did not expect at the time for donald trump to become president of the occupation. but if you got that kind of money -- >> that's the only russian enterprise that succeeded in the last 100 years is buying trump. roundtable is sticking with us. up next, these three people will tell me something i don't know. you are watching "hardball." >>> this is not a good headline if you are epa administrator scott pruitt.

. >> how rudy guiliani keeps making things worse. >> we love rudy. he's a special guy. >> then why the president was praising paul manafort on stage today. >> there for a short while but he's a good person. >> what happened when the man who said he would get tough on the nra spoke at their convention today. >> some of you people are petrified ra. you can't be petrified. >> thank you, kanye. >> good evening from new york. i'm joy read in for chris hayes. donald trump's efforts to clean up the mess made by his new personal attorney rudy guiliani have managed to make things worse. speaking to reporters this morning, the president suggested that giuliani didn't know what he was talking about when he said trump reimbursed mike cohen for his hush money payment to stormy daniels just before the 2016 election. >> i'll tell you what, rudy is a great guy but he just started a day ago. but he really has his heart into it. he's working hard. he's learning the subject matter. and he's going to be issuing a statement, too. but he is a great guy. he knows it's a wi

and since he's got guiliani out there. i will tell you i spoke with one source who said that the president sees guiliani as kind of catharctic for him. guiliani is kind of saying the things that he would like to say that he wishes his other lawyers would say. he's got this new legal team and they're getting ridden and getting their security clearance. don't forget the husband and wife team need to get clear and they're trying to figure out where to go and everybody understands that firing either rossen stein or mueller at this junkture the a terrible, terrible idea. you know there have been some discussion about maybe well, he could do it after the mid-terms, depending on how that goes, for example, but we really you know at this point it doesn't seem like it's imminent. but the president, himself, does not accept that this is a legitimate investigation and that has not changed, one iota. he believes it's directed towards him to delegitimize his election and presidency and he cares about how he comes out of this more than

guiliani was trying to take care of that. but at the same time, he opens up the president to so much more skepticism and criticism saying that michael cohen was there to take care of these things. that's what is problematic, there might be other things like that, that were paid for by the wolf, by the cleaner f there's a pattern of that, that's what i would be concerned with. not stormy daniels, go away michael avenati. john roberts said it right, he's doing a snoopy dance, this is what he wanted. isn't there a messaging problem. john roberts alluded to that. president trump and his team they have been behind continuously when it comes to the stormy daniels story. why not two months ago when it came public and the president realized where the money went. why not come out then and articulate and be transparent with the american people who went on, exactly what he knew. and articulate that with the white house. there has to be a frustration. they're doing their jobs every day, they are trying to do their best. but they seem out

rudy guiliani is representing him personally.that is okay if they decide to make their own call bit. my assertion is if the president hadn't known, we would have is known that by now. rudy guiliani would no longer be out in the media talking about it. somebody would have put the mouth on him. >> i guess my message, please don't understatement the two guys. the president wants to put this behind him. he wants to put this legal matter behind him. the whole issue of the investigation they would like to put behind him. he has an amazing agenda that he would like to execute. what i find fascinating about this, during all the distractions he was executing a game plan for the american people that's going quite well. >> brought it on himself. he talks about it. that is going to spur scrutiny. in terms of how he gets rid of this, rudy guiliani spoke to that on fox as well. i want to get your take. >> i believe that attorney general session, be, my good friend, is and rosenstein, who i don't know, are in this investigation. there has been

let me start with what rudy guiliani said there.if the president fires the fbi director because he refuses to publicly clear him in an investigation, there are some who argue that on its face is obstruction of justice. >> i don't know who those would be. i think they didn't make it to law school. the president under article 2 has the unfettered authority to hire and fire people. don't forget civil service protection is not involved. he can hire and fire all of these people. comey and kelly. and because of article 2, but how would firing comey ever be obstruction of justice? there's 15,000 more fbi agents that are there. as the fired and the investigation continued. so what does that obstruct for goodness sake? >> i've heard that argument before, alan dershowitz made it, joseph digenova. >> liberals and conservatives. >> it's impossible to obstruct justice when the president is exercising his full article -- it's impossible for a president exercising his rightful presidential authority to obstruct justice by doing it, right? that any

and i think rudy guiliani is counting on that as part of the explanation for this. much people will buy that, i don't know. you were talking about the challenge sarah sanders faces in simple believability. i manage prosecutors. i wasn't in the white house. but my view is simply that she can't do any better than the information she has. it's that credibility that is more brought into question. that factors in here going forward and doesn't help them. the history doesn't help them. >> in other news this friday morning, thousands are being evacuated from the big island. a volcano is spilling lava into the streets. the latest on the eruption next. here's the story of green mountain coffee roasters sumatra reserve told in the time it takes to brew your cup. let's go to sumatra. where's sumatra? good question. this is win. and that's win's goat, adi. the coffee here is amazing. because the volcanic soil is amazing. making the coffee erupt with flavor. so we give farmers like win more plants. to grow more delicious coffee. that erupts with even more flavor. which helps pro

but guiliani started a few days ago. they need to sit down and get their facts straight before anyone addresses the press. to jake's point, the american people know what is going on. this investigation has become an up limited fishing expedition. how many more tense of millions of taxpayer dollars do we need to spend on. this it's been a year. we don't have any evidence of russian collusion. i think most people in the country see what's going on and starting to roll their eyes. >> we have five guilty pleas. >> melissa: we will be back in a bit with more. hold that for now. any moment now, president trump will be speaking at the national rifle association's annual convention in dallas. we'll bring it to you live. plus nbc news is forced to walk back its bombshell report that the president's personal lawyer, michael cohen's, phones were wire tapped. our power panel weighs in. to move california forward, we need to help more californians get ahead. that's why antonio villaraigosa brought republicans and democrats together t

. >> brennan: rudy guiliani said he's not an expert on the facts yet. why is the president authorized him to speak like this? >> the president -- one thing i do want to say to you, margarets the president told me just yesterday that when he said no on air force one last month, he's talking about when the payment occurred. that he was not aware of the payment to ms. daniels when the payment occurred. that is consistent with his tweets from a couple of days ago, president had lot to say about this matter. he says this is a private matter, had nothing to do with campaign funds that there is an nda in full force and effect, he believes that ms. daniels and her lawyer have violated. that may go to arbitration. also repeats that this is a false claim. and he also says that michael cohen had basically discretion to use funds that had nothing do do with the campaign how he saw fit as his attorney at that time. >> brennan: in an interview last night on fox news, rudy deguiliani says the payment was a campaign expenditure. is that what you would characterize as?

rudy guiliani is still trying to get the story straight. the newest lawyer said president trump could defy a special counsel subpoena and the president could invoke the fifth amendment to avoid testifying in the russia probe. giuliani said he does not know when he learned of the $130,000 hush money payment to stormy daniel. and concedes it is possible that he paid off other women for the president. >> the president's allies are rallying around comments in the case of paul manafort. they are saying he is should not have unfettered power. president ae president's cia. that pell wanted out but they quinned her not to. she will face tough questions on wednesday. let's begin the scircus today live at the without. you're in the right place. >> reporter: the president was relatively silent over the weekend but his lawyer, rudy guiliani, certainly was not. instead of clearing things up, rudy guiliani raised new question about whether or not the president has made hush money to other women and whether or not he will invoke his fifth amendment right

you heard rudy guiliani talking about that, what us it legally? >> here's why you can't do it, the constitution is purposefully vague on it. when you look at the 69th federalist by alexander hamilton, you can impeach a president and bring charges before, during or after. but you can't indict or bring criminal charges while he's in office because what the president is doing is so important to the republic you can't distract the president with criminal charges. and he forgot that the investigation itself can be extremely time consuming, costly, and also distracting. that's what we've seen going on here. also, you look at '73, boark wrote an machine where they're citing they can't indict. >> harris: representative biggs what is your take on whether to put pressure on robert mueller and say look, pony up, wrap it up. andrew napolitano was on with us for "outnumbered," he and guiliani have gone back and forth, not mentioning names, the judge says don't put pressure on mueller, guiliani says don't tell me how to run my business. >> i think we should put

what does rudy guiliani do? is he trump's lawyer? is he just a guy he talks to on the phone sometimes, tells him to go out and spin a pr strategy instead of a legal strategy? same with jay goldberg. what is his role? does he advise the president in a legal capacity or is he someone else the president calls before he goes to bed at night, similar to sean hannity. we just don't know. >> you put it well. john, let me pass it to you. she puts it well. diving into the metaphysical kae metaphysicalality to give counsel, he got into the white house by ignoring most advice. john, if you have a tailor but you tell the tailor you want a three piece suit that's also a swimsuit, even a good tailor will be at a loss. >> well, exactly. i think natasha raises the right point about what exactly the roles of these people are. rudy guiliani in a story about his separation from his law firm a few days ago said one of the things he liked about being free of the law firm, presumably about being president trump's attorney, he hadn't been able to be on tel

is rudy guiliani right? a sitting president cannot be indicted and when robert mueller have told him that? >> this is one of the gray unanswered questions of constitutional law. the supreme court has never addressed this question. no prosecutor has tried to indict a president. there is justice department guidance going back to the 1970s that says a president cannot be indicted. and that seems to be the general consensus view, but we don't know that for sure. it is quite possible that mueller said we will follow that guidance. we are not going to indict the president if we have evidence. we will turn over this information if we have it to congress and let the impeachment process go forward. >> interesting side note on that is the longest commission study on this, as you guys know, was done by ken starr. that found that the president could be indicted because no one is above the law. that's where the famous quote comes from. it raises the question that you come to the conclusion that you want in the moment. ke

if you see rudy guiliani will start to go negative on michael cohen. the president himself will go negative on michael cohen. they are panicked that michael cohen is cooperating with the southern district here in new york. >> you know, the mayor's logic, though, talking about this payment, going on on tv to do it publicly, he said it's a way of getting ahead of the story. julie, is there logic for that? do you see any reason for that? >> from a p.r. perspective, he contradicted the president and then the president went and contradicted him. so i'm not sure it's a great strategy. from a legal strategy, it's very puzzling strategy because he exposed did the to new questions from the mueller investigation as to what he knew and what he was doing with the money that he was funneling, using rudy guiliani's words. they have to deem with tal with aspect and the legal exposure giuliani expoed for the president. >> i want to pivot to north korea and talk about the comments he made about that, saying the u.s. hostages would be released on thursday. it did not ha

as guiliani said earlier on an interview on cnn. one reamed to obstruction.very tricky thing for the president. but i also think it's a tricky thing for mueller. because he has to get into the president's intent when he fired james comey. i don't think he has it. >> well, the investigation is ongoing, dave, if the investigation is ongoing, yes the subjects of the investigation can be frustrated and all of that. does this name calling and conspiracy throwing, all that, does that help matters for the president and everyone around him? >> i think if i were a republican, i would say, optically from a pr perspective, it is a good this inc. to muddy the waters, right? the continued onslaught of negative headlines surrounding the russia probe is not something the president wants. he is trying to defend himself in the pr battle. that's a function of the public relations, not a legal problem. overwhelmingly, the american people on cnn's poll three weeks ago, 77% of americans want him to testify. of that 39% of republicans want him to. the bottom line, they want him to

>> i used to have a lot of respect for rudy guiliani. he show the some significant leadership around 9/11, but this guy's lost it. he's no longer ready for primetime and he doesn't know what the law is, by the way, as it relates to campaign finance law. you asked why would he admit it? because he doesn't understand what he's admitting. rudy guiliani thinks the only way you can have a campaign finance violation is if su use campaign funds to pay the $130,000. anything who knows anything about campaign innocence law knows that's not true. this guy's a former prosecutor, u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. he's going to demean the men and women of the fbi by calling them storm troopers and making nazi references? it's an outrage to the people that wear the badge that put their lives on the line day in and day out for our safety, chris. he should be embarrassed by his comments. furthermore, michael cohen complemented the fbi as it related to how they handled the search warrants and how professional they were. these guys are

rudy guiliani knows better. he spent a lot of his life in the justice department -- >> then why is he saying this? >> he is defending his client and this is the language his client wants to hear. but that lapping wapblg crosses a line to me. and the stormroopers comment crosses a line. foer u.s.ttorney rudy guiliani knows better. when he was appointed, a lot of people praised the appointment. let's not get spun up by this. >> people have given money to democrats and republicans. we have the records. for him to say they are all democrats, that's also -- >> not true. >> also on your analogy, lucy moves the football, she's moving it closer to charlie brown in this analogy. >> it is a metaphorical football. just making it harder for them to do their job. everything is to gum up the works and muck it up. if he wanted to finish the investigation, you know how you do it? you send the president in. >> i guess. if we're not @ that point. >> they have been asking for a month. >> you're the expert here. >> if mueller were

literally according to rudy guiliani. i turn to joyce vance, and michael waldman. joyce, what do you make of the -- they used to call it nondenial denial of this nonclarifying clarification? >> so at the end of the day rudy can characterize these events and these payments however he wants to. it's not -- not a criminal violation is what he's saying, but it doesn't really matter to the investigators in the southern district of new york. they will look at the facts and they'll make a decision about whether this is a criminal sort of a campaign finance violation or something regulatory that they should send to their colleagues at the federal election commission for regulatory which is not a criminal sort of follow-up. but this effort to characterize it and recharacterize it and change the facts really comes to nothing because the facts are already baked in. it's already happened. investigators will track it down and this i think will end up being something of a sideshow. >> it's a sideshow, but it goes to the sort of endless

i think it speaks volumes of the before and after picture of rudy guiliani the rudy guiliani back inay, i'm old enough to remember actually broke down a crooked politician on the stand during cross and got him to confess the rudy guiliani that we see now, ari, is like willie mays playing for the mets, it's like somebody's crazy uncle they don't let ut at thanksgiving. rudy back in the day, now if he's not too far gone understands you are building the case, any case, whether in the sdny or the mueller crew from the bottom up. and every time another shoe drops, every time you break news on this show about the latest in this symbrolio, it means the footsteps are getting louder the collars are getting more on this play. >> speaking of breaking news, i will cut in. i have more. i want to thank you, brian weiss for joining us. i want to bring mia wiley back in. i was just handed the first most detailed response of michael cohen and his legal team here to all these allegations from mr. avenotti. i want to tell you what we have. we have been promising we would by the as we got it. the first

here's guiliani on "fox & friends." one of his assistant said they have to be bound by justice department policies. then they clarified it for jay sekulow, they didn't have the power to indict and the circumstances of this case they wouldn't be able to subpoena him personally. >> they can't require you to testify in what would be your own case. after all, it's all about a possible impeachment. impeachment has to come before indictment. >> harris: richard blumenthal of kret who sits on the judiciary committee disagrees. >> having reviewed the same law, i believe that a president can be indicted. why? no one is above the law. the president has profoundly important duties of office. but those responsibilities can be reconciled with an indictment. and a delay of the trial until he is out of office. >> harris: president trump tweeted this. congratulations, america. we are now into the second year of the greatest witch hunt in american history. and there is still no collusion and no obstruction. the only collusion was done by

it's a rigged investigation as guiliani said to undercut its strategy. the opposite strategy to build up that credibility. if it finds you did nothing wrong, then trumpet that. >> former national security director michael hayden has his own theory of why the president is going after the justice department. this is what he had to say. >> i think he is simply trying to delegitimize the mueller investigation and he is willing to throw almost anything against the wall. martha, this is a part of the stream. remember tapping trump tower. unmasking u.s. identities, fisa application that were abused. now we have this. by the way, all of those are wrong. all of those are incorrect. all of those are stunningly normal in the development of intelligence and law enforcement. you know what, i talked to a lot of people in the country. one or another or many of those things have already stuck. >> so is the president winning in the court of public penalties or does this potentially make them think there is something to hide? >> i think both. he is winning in the segment

has been, as imprecise as rudy guiliani has been. is lacking in command of the facts as he's been. and this is all playing out on an international stage on television. i'd be really worried about that. the other thing is of course this is just about politics. this is just a political brawl under the guise of legal representation. i love this description of this kind of legal under world that rudy guiliani says he's part of. you know, jeffrey and i know a lot of lawyers and some of the best in the country. guess what people, they don't operate this way because it's not how it is is done without the client's consent and paying hush money. it's garbage. >> but trump likes him being on offense. especially when you put the attributes out there, loose, imprecise and often wrong on the facts. he's got the right client. >> you're hired! >> let's talk about what vice president pence said to nbc news and for the first time seemed to really issue his own verdict on the mueller investigation. so here's the vice president. >> it's been about a ye

they were explosive remarks by rudy guiliani. i wonder how democrats treat this.it interested that they have avoided talking about stormy daniels. they want the pleasant to get in his own way. it is a fascinating case of this resistance-prone era, can they stay silent? i think they should keep resisting the temptation. >> they don't want to run on impeachment, but they're going to have to. >> i'm going to say the biggest story of the entire trump presidency is the courts. the president confirmed 15 appellates who have the last word on the vast majority of law. half in their 40s, the other half in their 50s. they are lifetime appointed. six more are coming up. staunch conserve is actives in the federalist society that want to dramatically limit what kind of on federal powers the government can assert under the constitution. this will be a huge, huge impact on the law for generations to come. >> after you wrote that story, i had leader mcconnell on my radio show. president obama appointed 49 justices over eight years. by the end of this year, it's going to be at lea

and ride guiliani and the debate over f.b.i. informant. ed henry as the information. >> reporter: there is a classic case of choosing which sport of gowdy's treatment. president trump agreed with him on sessions. but there may not be evidence to back up the spy gate allegations. but number one as one of the few law makers, gowdy is not denying there is surveillance of the campaign, but stressing that russia is the target and trump critics said that gowdy believes that the president was not the target of the investigation and strongly suggesting that trump may emerge unscathed. rudy guiliani will advise president trump sitting down with mueller. he believes that the mueller team is stacked against the president. >> it was president trump who didn't coclude with russia but if anyone with the campaign did i want the f.b.i. to find out. donald trump was not the target of the investigation and not the current target. that can all change depending on what a witness says. the f.b.i. did what the fellow citizens would do when hay got the informati

guiliani says as far as he knew mr. trump didn't know about the specifics of it, but did know about the general arrangement that michael cohen would take care of things. a general arrangement to funnel money to cover up an alleged affair. the president knew about the general arrangement, for michael cohen, according to mr. giuliani, to take care of things. words that don't shout propriety, the word funnel in connection with financial wrong-doing is never a good choice. in any case, back in february, michael cohen denied any funneling took place. neither the trump organization nor the trump campaign was a party to the transaction with ms. clifford and neither reimbursed me for the payment, either directly or indirectly. notice he never said anything about the president reimbursing him, even though the surrogates said he didn't know anything about it. here's what the president said on air force one. >> did you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? >> no. >> why did michael cohen make it. >> michael's my attor

a bombshell admission from rudy guiliani, donald trump's own attorney. revealing the president did reimburse michael cohen for that hush money paid to stormy daniels. something the president has denied knowing anything about. $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? . >> this was about the coverup and it was about the lies and it was about the deception and guess what, it's all come home to roost. >> this morning, what this means for the president, the investigation and the lawsuits he's facing. >>> no survivors. officials now say all nine people aboard a military congo plane were killed in a horrifying crash caught in georgia. investigators look for clues behind the deadly accident. heading home, three americans hemmed for years in a north korean labor camp, reportedly move one step closer to freedom. their release said to be imminent ahead of the president's planned summit with kim jong-un. we are live with the very latest. >>> stories, plus tense moments. >> metro police! >> police reveal the first video showing the gunmen storming the hotel suite. >>> new

but rudy guiliani is new to the legal team. in fact, he told bob costa, that he did this with the president's blessing, this revelation that he had made the payment. what is the mind-set about this legal strategy going forward? is there a clear one that has now emerged after what we've seen in the past 24 hours? >> honestly, what i've seen is nothing resembling a coherent legal strategy. what i keep seeing is just a lot of mud being thrown up against the wall to see what sticks. it's really hard to see a legal team that is working together in a coordinated way here. this was not a carefully crafted statement by jewgiuliani. it was not handled in a way they think was helpful. frankly, brought attention to a case that has been put on hold by the judge. a very stupid legal move. >> natasha, i'm going to give you a chance to respond as well. go ahead. >> i was going to say, i have no doubt that rudy giuliani and donald trump are talking about these things privately and not looping in the rest of the white house on this legal strate

is what what rudy guiliani is doing. what he is doing is making it appear the president is very willing to testify. is trying to reach an agreement with the special counsel to do so. so that if in the end he ends up not testifying, they look like they have made a good faith effort and the president can then place the blame elsewhere rather than on himself. >> this is very interesting, jeffrey toobin, make it appear as if the president wants to sit down. make it look like these are good faith negotiations. they're increasingly every day that passes it seems to 93 this show, the rudy guiliani show is an entity itself. it's not a means to an end. he's not there creating an outcome with robert mueller. he is there to create this show which is a part of the larger political argument. >> right. what the president said he wants better tv lawyers. now he has a good lawyer who is making two points, one as gloria is saying, the president really wants to testify. >> we don't know for a fact. he says he wants. he wants us to think.

we hear about the other $400,000 from rudy guiliani. all we know is the president paid $130,000 to stormy daniels to buy her silence. a whole lot of money is unaccounted for. we know how it got there and don't know where it went. for prosecutors, it's always about follow the money. >> jonathan, you've been following this. how does this overlap? i've been watching the way the trump, the bill clinton investigation of whitewater ended up merging into paula jones which merged into lewinsky. that went on for four years. for all conservatives complaining about a one-year investigation of a president, your investigation went four years. nobody complained at the end of the first quarter and blew the whistle and said stop the game back then. this time around they are. we'll talk about that. where does mueller find his way into this? somehow i believe had he something to do with the new york office of the u.s. attorneys going after this case in the first place. it all seems to be somewhat related. >> he referred it to them. >> he referred it and

rudy guiliani drops a bombshell, saying the president paid back attorney michael cohen for the $130,000gave to porn star stormy daniels. but the president has denied knowing anything about that payment. we have breaking details coming up. >>> police are investigating the explosion of a barn next to a home in connecticut during a police standoff where a man was reportedly holding his wife hostage. up to eight police officers suffered minor injuries. we're told the wife is ok but no word on the suspect. >>> gusting winds, rain, and tornadoes. 20 confirmed tornadoes have touched down in kansas and oklahoma. the wind in chicago ripped the roof right off a four-story apartment building. >>> the boy scouts of america is changing their name. the scouts bsa is making a change as it allows girls in to its organization. those are some of our top stories on thursday, may 3rd. >>> we begin in with the stunning admission from one of the president's top lawyers. giuliani now says president trump repaid the money used to pay stormy daniels. >> as you know, rudy guiliani recently joined the president's

the president's attorney, rudy guiliani will join us. he is telling the new york times that special counsel robert mueller is agreeing to limit the scope of the questions and the new york city mayor is saying it could result in a possible july interview and mueller issuing a final report by labor day and the mid- term election. that would be a win for the presidents. mueller's original questions were ridiculous and a perjury trap and what were you thinking. it doesn't matter what he was thinking and today is the one year anniversary of the mueller witch hunt. and so far there is not a single shred of evidence of collusion and that is not against the law. the special counsel is so abusive and corrupt and so conflicted that the president and his legal team are rightly going to offense to solicit the deep state team. congratulations, the president tweeted. we are in the second year of the greatest witch hunt in history and no collusion or obstruction. only collusion is done by the democrats who were unable to win the election despite the sp

rudy guiliani knows that full well. so i don't think this hyperbolic play, this is designed to appeal to his base. it doesn't comport with reality into the investigation. >> it feels like the september 1st arbitrary date is more spaghetti they try to throw at the wall to see what sticks in terms of undermining the investigation. it feels like every day some sort of new effort at why it is not legitimate or why we should be suspect of it. however, on the flip side, does jewel appy have a point that after september 1st it does get dangerously close to tainting the midterms and mueller does need to be aware of the date of the release. i mean, maybe holding it until after the midterm elections. what about that? >> i think mueller is already aware there are standing doj regulations first in place by mccasey and rubber stamped by eric holder because it was so universal. i don't think mueller is enlightened by the statement that rudy guiliani has provided for him. i think he was aware he had to do it before or wait until after

chris enters views rudy guiliani and alisyn camerota is in windsor. have a great weekend. >> it looks like the trump campaign may, in fact, have been surveilled. >> they will make any claim that serves the president. they are not backing up any of these claims. the american people have a right to know the entire scope of an investigation into the guy they elected president. >> the day that we can't protect human sources is the day the american people start becoming less safe. >> donald trump owes it to the american people to answer questions. >> we had the first communications. it was a good faith attempt to really narrow the focus. ♪ >> the excitement is growing here in windsor. >> the newlyweds will be met by thousands of their fans. >> a woman who is biracial. it represents a real change. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is your "new day". it is friday, may 18th, 6:00 in new york. look at the beautiful alisyn camerota in the picturesque back drop of

it's been a month since donald trump hired rudy guiliani as his personal lawyer and trub ba door.then he embarked 0 a sustained media campaign to divert attention from the facts of mueller's investigation. which has secured so far five guilty pleas and 19 count them, 19 indictments. giuliani is now calling for an end to the investigation on his own word i guess. and an apology. he wants an apology to the president. let's watch. >> the whole investigation is totally legitimate. how about what jeff sessions has done to him. >> what. >> jeff sessions has stuck him with a special counsel because he didn't stand up. you can't indict. >> you've said it should be wrapped up. do you believe it should be wrapped up overall or just as it pertains in any way to president trump? >> i think it should be wrapped up completely. in fact, they should apologize for putting him through this. >> modern day giuliani stands in stark contrast to a decidedly more muted version of the former mayor of new york who appeared on pbs during the 1998 starr investigation. >> under the criminal law, everybody sho

i think rudy guiliani got this part of it right.s been looking out for the president. i don't know when mrs. dans -- most people know her as stormy daniels was pressing the president for payment supposedly on this agreement. it could have been. >> ten days before the election. >> he wasn't formally part of the campaign. on top of this all of this, very quickly, "the wall street journal" when you read a piece by bradley smith, the former chairman of the federal elections commission, he says even if this payment is made, there's not an fec violation on there. >> why did they throw edwards before the court on that issue. >> it was a completely different situation that was not -- it was not -- those were funds implicated during the campaign. >> why? hush up an affair. >> there is nothing. >> it's exactly the same thing. >> it was not the same thing in any shape way or form. this is a person who are had something to doing with 10, 12 years ago who has zero credibility. >> really? >> you think she made it up. >> she signed something she s

president trump attorney rudy guiliani said the russia probe could end up september 1st. it all hinges on whether or not the president will sit down for an interview with special counsel. it is interesting. he said, well, wait, if the president sits down, we know giuliani doesn't want the president to sit down. he went on to say if they subpoena him, if they subpoena him, that will be litigation and make a long time. making it clear they would fight any presidential subpoena. this timeline has been extended, extended and extended. what gives? >> the president of the united states fails to understand that it is his own action of delay and prolonging the investigation not only because of his refusal to sit down. but also because every time he tweets, every time his counsel goes out and makes contradictory statements, he invites different scrutiny which happens every time he does that, there are new avenues of investigation to pursue, new corroboration that needs to happen. new information has to be uncovered by the investigative team. they are finally recognizing they have

rudy guiliani. always a pleasure.hank you for being with us. >> good to be back. >> we have to get into this full-throated conversation about what you believe is happening with the probe. first, are you okay? >> oh, yeah, i'm fine. i'm absolutely fine. >> what i heard, in the side view mirror you saw a squeegee guy and you opened the door into him. >> i saw chris christie. >> so you're good. that's good to know. this news that you believe that according to special counsel and their investigative team, there may be a narrowing of questions. is that accurate? >> yes, it is. it is accurate as of wednesday night. we received a communication from them. we did go through five letters. we didn't get a response. then they sent us a response. i can't go into detail. but narrowing the subjects for questioning down to about two. >> that list that came out. >> i had five categories. >> all right. that's fair. five, maybe seven. >> three are out. no secret that the whole thing with michael cohen is out, the southern district of ne

rudy guiliani on the tv shows. as the president tweeting in a tweet storm today.witch hunt is rapidly losing credibility. house intelligence committee found no pollution or anything with russia. okay, what else is there. obstruction made up phony crime. it's called fighting back tom is this seen as a positive for the trump legal team to have rudy guiliani out there swinging? definitely different than where the legal team was. >> correct. i think most people are still trying to figure out whether rudy crazy or crazy like a fox. i happy to think -- i happen to think it's a coordinated campaign. there's a method to the madness. has been quite a spectacle to see him make a statement, pull back and go out make more statement. i think ultimately what rudy is laying the ground work to try and move -- shut off the stormy daniels angle, this isn't a campaign violation. you don't have any room to wiggle there. get focus back on collusion and obstruction where there doesn't seem to be evidence. >> as of now, we don't know. you're right. here is rudy guiliani and this montage