guiner. now the question i have is youe q talk about, and i'm a fan by the way of the founding fathers and sys system we have but i would very much like to hear your suggestions, professor as to changes you think ought to be made. an >> guest: first of all thanks very much for, am i looking --ight >> host: right into the scam a. if you're uncomfortable doing that, talk to me. you can talk to a face over here. so andy will understand. >> guest: okay. so what i was talking about andy, at the time, and since then in the courses that i still t teach that we need to lookuntr around the look what other countries are doing. so one example of alternative forms of voting comes from germany and it is an example that we the united states imposed on germany in 1945 after world war ii. so it is not, something that was, developed in the closet somewhere else, it is something that we, the united states approved for germany and my point is well, if we could suggest this for germany why can't we suggest it fo

timothy, you're on with harvard law professor and author lani guiner. >> caller: good afternoon. my question is, is it significantly more painful for a person of color to -- >> host: timothy, please turn down the volume on your tv. you're going to get a little delay, and blake when he talked to you on the phone, he tells you turn down the volume, it's very important. jo go ahead and talk through your telephone. we're listening to you and don't worry about the tv. don't look at the tv, and turn down the volume. now go ahead. we are listening. >> caller: my apologies. i was concerned about the status of american civil rights equality for all people and i'm concerned about whether a victim of a violent crime who is stabbed in the back, and a person who is discriminated against by a society, and the courts which is more painful for us to live with for all of us who grew up in the '60s who have college degrees and masters degrees and served in the community, where do we go when we find that the courts fail us and then we go to the law sort of as a victim and the victim is penalized? >