and then they are at the solution that president obama or congressman guiterriez would like. first they say, deport them all, and then they realize it is expensive and how you make that work? will than they think about making life so miserable that they go home. and they talk about that. they would have families here and who would mow my lawn. [laughter] at about the 45 minute point, can you consider what spite, i cannot believe i am going to say this, but we have to let them become legal. we have to figure out a way to let them jump through hoops and become legal. the public is very mixed views, right? we are a nation of immigrants but we are troubled by the illegality. we've asked them to be practical, they come to the pragmatic solution. you get to d.c. and they can come to know pragmatic solution. it is pretty much democrats on reform and republicans cannot talk about it. it becomes a political football. to watch this play out over the next two years is going to be painful. we have become the wedge issue par excellence. the question is what is the difference? what is the