and i think you need to be doing what gumarro because you're a lot better. no, i'm not a lot better of it. it was his whole conception in this field there aren't very many white people and i must have some sort of special skills. he never quite realized that gumarro was the leader of the crew. that i wasn't. so if anything -- you could see the bias the ways that i -- the clear advantages i had. in chicken plant i wanted to get to the jobs debone which is one of the strenuous jobs and i attempted three or four times to talk in the h.r. person to get me in debone and they never did and that was the job that was most dangerous. and i think they just felt like you're not supposed to be there. >> you mentioned something about the popularity of this particular book. i'm wondering if you know why that is besides it being a great book, of course. do you think that there's any particular reason at this historical moment or anything in particular about it that makes it particularly popular now? >> well, david foster wallace, he read these couple huge books. one book i