with guns.and according to the centers for disease control, an estimated 2,000 children are injured in gun accidents each year and more than 100 children are killed. all too often, it's a kid pulling the trigger. each child's death is tragic, and all of them are preventable. >> no child deserves to be taken like this. >> reporter: while the gun issue is incredibly divisive, what is not debated is that everyone wants to keep children safe. and that's our goal tonight. we plan to give parents lessons on the best way to teach kids gun safety from kids as young as 5 to teenagers. >> yo, yo. >> reporter: we've enlisted the help of dr. ray miltenberger, a professor at the university of south florida and a leading researcher of gun injury prevention. >> you see a gun, what do you do? >> reporter: dr. miltenberger believes the first step to keeping kids safe is to store guns locked and hidden. >> the second is to teach the kids the skills for the one time that some adult will not store the gun safely. >

any criminal can get a gun, and they do get guns. >> no, that's not how they get guns, they get gunsrving -- surfing the the internet, since sandy hook, and buying them for sash. that's why since sandy hook, we stopped waiting for congress to finish the job and expand brady background checks, and are winning the momentum of the american people making up our mind winning at the state level. six states since sandy hook's massacre in december 2012 passed expanded brady background checks on gun sales. last month oregon was the sixth state to do so since sandy hook. there are eight states nationwide that done so, if you look nationwide there's 18 states with a form of expanded brady checks. it's time for congress to do the will of the american people. for the job to keep guns out of the hand of dangerous people, by expanding brady background checks. they work. >> the laws that you got through mentioning are not working, because they are nothing more than a gun registration scheme. if you can go back... >> you have 20 seconds by the way. >> you can see several studies that have been done,

is to stop the gun violence, the illegal gun violence.the same time, i want to retain and this separates me from barack obama hillary clinton, all the other liberal politicians the right of americans to defend themselves, they must have that right i'm not going to depend on the government. the local state or federal government to protect my family. i'm not going to depend on them because they can't and won't do it. i have to do it. that's my job. so i need if i choose to have one a firearm. and you are not going to take it away. but, chicago is the best example, and that's barack obama's backyard, they pass all of these gun control laws professor, and nothing, every gang member is running around with a gun. all right. okay. have the feds -- the cops go, in arrest them, put them in federal prison and you won't have any gangs am i wrong? >> there is no doubt that chicago's problem is largely a gang problem and not as much a gun problem. and, chicago is traditionally had very strict gun control laws and had a lot of gang violence and these d

it's about where you may bring your gun and so we are not opposed to gun ownership. for those 21 and older, we are still opposed to bringing concealed or holstered guns on campus. one of the arguments that is raised is this idea that should there be an active shooter event on campus, that having an armed classroom might prevent it from becoming more dangerous. if you look and talk to law enforcement, the kind of training that law enforcement personnel on ledge campuses do, it is enormous. they are trained, retrained. they have to reprogramme the brain to respond to the high intensity adrenaline-driven environment to respond, to understand the complexity of the situation. there's no way that that student - they may have grown up with guns, they may be at the range every day, is prepared for that kind of environment. we believe that that increases the risk for every student, faculty and staff member when you have students potentially in an active shooter situation, or dangerous situation thinking they can resolve the situation. >> advocates of student concealed carry p

you want to see stricter gun laws enacted here? >> i am concerned about gun laws.laws ought to mirror the federal laws which are much more restrictive than south carolina laws. we seem to be preoccupied with gun owner rights in south carolina. i'm a lawyer. i understand there's a second amendment right to bear arms. you know the history about that is in somewhat dispute in terms of arising out of being an organized militia. >> right. >> it's clear, the constitution allows us to enact police powers. therefore, we can limit constitutional rights based on the data that is relevant to the city and the state. i think we ought to have tougher gun laws in south carolina but the debate and the narrative has been driven largely by the nra and the special interest groups coming in from outside of south carolina who won't let us move forward in that regard. >> you have your work cut out for you. it is going to be a robust debate. keep talking to us about what you have going on. thank you so much. again, our condolences in the loss of your colleague and friend. >> let's get ov

but -- >> there's no gun on the scene. >> hard to have a gun suicide with no gun. >> that's right. >> and this was a man who had everything to live for. >> eric loved life. >> he loved his family and women, too. many women. did one of them love him too much? >> jealousy leads to murder. >> no shortage of lovers to question. >> i knew he was a ladies' man. i'm not stupid. >> no sign of a break-in either. >> somebody would have to have a key or be let in by eric. >> so it must have been someone he trusted. or maybe someone who didn't trust him. >> inside the safe was a .380 handgun. >> that's the same kind of gun that killed eric. >> same kind of gun. >> everybody loved him. so who killed him? >> we knew in our hearts that this murder was going to be solved. we believed that justice was going to be served for eric. >> i'm lester holt, and this is "dateline." here's josh mankiewicz with "while he was sleeping." >>> he was the life of every party. at 34, eric somuah was charming, magnetic, successful. in 2012, he was living the kind of life that young men liked to brag about to one anothe

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i'm not against guns, guns and serve a purpose, but we need to regulate who is getting guns. everyone has to live in america together. host: good luck with your basketball game. he mentioned in juneteenth. this is an article on wikipedia. this is the 150th anniversary of juneteenth today. independent line. caller: i remember in the 1980's, they started mainstreaming the end of unwa style of rep. the youth wanted to take on that kind of attitude. the skinheads started taking on -- they started popping up. it seems like that whole jon runyan -- john genre shop america into the bad boy syndrome. you have jerry springer showing the bad attitudes of people. hey, we kind of like that bad boy attitude. you see what that has generated. you can even look at justin bieber. i was looking at the beginning they were saying heated to be edgier. now, everybody's putting them down. -- saying he needed it to be edgier. now, everybody's putting him down. when you start ling around with -- fooling around with having an attitude or swagger, that's something you don't multiple with. it has its ow

gun. in virginia and hanover, those are the most evil vengeful police department. i have been beaten by them summary times. i want to still state that this is the greatest country on the face of the planet that we have to fix our problem and you cannot give millions of people amnesty for free or the second time. don't forget we did it under ronald reagan. host: we will be talking again about the immigration debate later in the show. we will be joined by ann coulter and her debate about the immigration debate. stick around for that statement -- segment of "the washington journal." i want to point to the washington post, the pectoral history of the evolution of the confederate flag. from the first official flag of the confederacy to the development of the battle flag and how it became as it is seen today. we want to hear mostly from our collars this morning. on the line for those that would like to see it removed from the statehouse grounds. good morning. caller: i would just like to commend

after there's been an incident of gun violence, that's when we shouldn't talk about gun control afteren a period or episode of gun violence. your thoughts on that? >> governor haley is wrong. when the president went into the briefing room and said he's been there far too many times talking about these things because it seems throughout his presidency he's had to console the nation after one shooting incident after another because someone was able to get their hands on a gun and wreak hafbvoc on a community. tear families apart and hurt people. the president in his remarks at the conference of mayors earlier today, you know, he talked about galvanizing the american people because when the american people rise up congress has no choice but to listen. you know what? after newton the american people rose up over the slaughter of 20 children in a school. 90% of the american people supported background checks yet congress did nothing. the american people need to be galvanized to push congress but they also have to be began vallizeval ize -- galvanized to push the national rifle association

with guns. >> i would say king said on my show before we go to gun control this isn't about guns ore it is about evil and hatred and that is not we need to focus on. >> we hope the president's fundraiser and his golf game go well. in the mean time hillary clinton is facing growing questions about honesty or lack therefore. a majority of voters in three key states don't trust her. in florida 51-43 percent margin don't find her honest or trustworthy and gaps are bigger in ohio and pennsylvania suggesting using the private e-mails at the state department and the questionable donations for the family foundation may be checking up with her. it is important to note no president has won the race without winning two of those three states. the clinton camille pissarro -- campaign is saying we don't care about the red states but it is going into the swing states. >> the shady lady. we have to get that trending with a hash tag. you can see her fairing against republicans like marco rubio in pennsylvania you see him doing well and that is why i think the clinton camp and "the new york times" ha

honduras has higher murder rates with guns and 14 times fewer guns.e can talk about statistics but it's irrelevant here. in south carolina, you have to be charged with a felony to be declared illegal to carry, which he was. his father purchased a firearm for him for his 21 birthday, april 4, 2015. that could have been a strong man purchase which is also a felony. he reportedly told someone he stole the gun. felony, felony, felony. we have regulations on firearm ownership which is why when you compare us to advanced countries with fewer guns, and more restrictions the violent crime rate is higher. >> a lot of people say you know, somebody like this is determined to kill. and gun defenders say what they needed is someone also carrying who could have taken him down. we're set to air a special tonight which we've postponed until next week given the news out of charleston about a woman in a food processing plant. her colleague beheaded by a madman. she was in the process of getting beheaded. there was a man in the company with a gun who shot the person try

guns in schools, guns in the busiest airport in the world.nd the other day, a man exercising, he said from his rights thanks to the acts of our legislators, brandished a huge weapon walking around in order to make a point, he said, about his second amendment right in the atlanta hartsfield jackson airport. i submit he was not exercising his second a minute rights, he was exercising his white male privilege. it is clear to me that someone who looks like me or someone who is wearing the wrong kind of addressing could not have walked through the atlanta airport and walked out in the way that he did. amy: reverend warnock, we are going to talk about gun control in a minute. i want to turn to clementa pinckney, pastor of the emanuel ame church in south carolina state senator. he recently spoke in the south carolina senate, calling for police to wear body cameras in the wake of the shooting death of walter scott in north charleston. >> lady and gentleman of the senate, when we first heard on the television that a police officer had gunned down in u

gun control.rgan radford joins us. >> that's right, john, here at emmanuel ame people are processing their grief in their own way. you can see people laying ribbons, saying prayers sermons. but we saw throngs of a crowd of the new black panther party and they confronted the mourners and they said they're defending their rights request the second amendment, and said that if the black victims had had guns they would have been able to defend themselves a prickly issue, and at the heart of it are gun control issues. >> taking down the confederate flag at the state capitol. >> it is time for south carolina to get past its history. history belongs in a place. it belongs in a museum. >> here at emmanuel ame some are asking if the flag controversy are hiding a bigger issue, gun control. >> some people say that the flag didn't kill people, those guns did. >> well, whether it's equal or one is more important than the other, but they're both issues that require further national discourse and action. >> so wh

they need to inspect who they are giving guns too. i am for gun ownership. people that are mentally stable should have guns. if they are not, we need government that is there. not like rand paul, seeming to say it is a good ring. if you take away government, they cannot do background checks. if you do not have people investigating people on the internet, threatening to do this or that, and they get a gun or they threaten to do something at a school or these republicans want to send the jobs overseas. they think it is great. you put more stress on the people here and if you look at the newspapers crime has went up. violence has went up because people -- host: ronald we got the page. any response? guest: he packed a lot in there but he makes a good point about the need for government to be able to screen people who want to own a gun. i'm not in favor of taking everybody's guns away. that's not going to happen. i'm not in favor of the idea of us not having any gun ownership at all. despite what the n.r.a. says that progressives are tout to take everybody -- out

go get guns.nt to be a black/white issue. >> you know, the -- here's one thing it teaches is, you know, we have to be conscious of the way we talk about race and we ought to do it more often. if we did it more often and it were part of the general conversation, then it wouldn't be so spriking ingstriking and noticeable to so many people when you do gun violence and only black people in it. let's keep the dialogue going and let's broaden it as well. >> david, look, the reason to bring up gun violence is we looked up these statistics. 50 americans since 9/11 have been killed in terrorist attacks. we're up to nearly 400,000 people since 9/11 have been killed by firearms. >> right. but the way the news events have happened with ferguson and this and a bunch -- baltimore, a lot have had racial -- huge racial components. then the conversation slips over into poverty and things like that. we've overly mixed race and poverty. most poor people in america is white. the family breakdown crosses racial lines,

it appears father had a gun.t was an illegal gun that he gave to his son or perhaps he just bought him one. my point is we don't have evidence this is an unlawful gun. we didn't have that evidence in the case of sandy hook either. >> there's an interesting study recently done. in australia in 1996 there was a mass shooting epidemic. 11 mass shootings that happened in a decade. under conservative prime minister she passed sweeping gun reform laws destroyed 650,000 semiautomatic and automatic weapons, created tight, tight restrictions in australia and within ten years the murders created by gun violence dropped by 59%. they went from 11 murders in a decade mass murders in a decade to zero. so there are -- there's evidence here to show that this type of a form does have a serious impact. can you control the black market >> yet that's not the experience we have in our country when bill clinton passed his gun law. >> right. there's something i want to point out. i could sit here i did write the book on it and i can sp

gun laws. our in context segment - gun violence. we look at how other countries respond to some of the world's worse massacres. >>> this 21-year-old, shunned by women and rejected for military service because of tuberculosis killed 29 people using a shotgun, axe and sword. his attack inspired movies books and a play. and was considered the worst massacre for decades. until 1982 when a 26-year-old south korean policeman killed 56 people in an 8-hour rage in south korea. but the deadliest massacre to date began with a bomb blast outside the prime minister's office in oslo norway july 22nd, 2011. two hours later anders brefic opened fire on a summer camp in victoria island. >> translation: the man was standing upright, dressed as a policeman and pretended me was there to help us trying to lure us closer. >> reporter: 77 were killed. the youngest. >> translation: my thoughts are with those wounded and those that lost their lives. i ensured everything possible is done to help the victims. especially those in a critical condition >> repor

can you buy a gun? yes. >> he bought the gun himself.21 years old. >> he has the right to do that. he wasn't a convicted felon. to say a gun law could have stopped this based on the weapon he used from what we understand the laws proposed to be passed would not have stopped this. >> is this is valuable conversation to have because he bought the gun legally? >> i agree with ben that there's not a lot of laws we have on the books right now that could have prevented this from happening. i do agree with the president. i agree with the nra, for that matter we need to take a tighter look at mental instability and the easy access that mentally ill people have to guns. that here is the big problem. even if there is -- if this was a situation where this guy's father gave him the gun, there's no law. >> how do we know he is mentally ill, by the way? do we know that for sure? >> this is where it's sticky. if we want to go after the mentally ill and make sure they don't have access to the guns, unfortunately, that means digging into people's privacy

>> well, the gun laws down here are lax because when you go to purchase a gun i mean it's -- you can carry it anywhere you like if you have the proper permits. you can't do that in new york or chicago or anything like that. >> i tell you what, here, we believe in protecting yourself. >> purchase ago firearm in the state of georgia is quite i simple. all you need is a georgia state i.d.o. driver's license. you go through a background check, which takes about 20 for 30 minutes and you can obtain a gun on line with no background check at all. georgia leads the country as a source of firearms used in crimes in other states. in 2013, 3,000 guns purchased legally in georgia were confiscated outside the state by police with florida running just behind, according to data from the bureau of alcohol tobacco and fire articles. we reached out to the a.t.f. they did not respond to our request for an interview. >> i was shocked when i heard it was one of our guns. >> upset it was a local gun that child officer brian moore perry police captain said law enforcement needs more funding to fight gun ru

ownership than gun rights.t's flipped condition more people say it's more important to control gun rights than gun ownership. 52 to 48%. not all is bike it. 32 people killed, despite the defeats in washington he says the tide is turning at the state and local level. >> we've seen a lot of activity over the past two years promoting good gun activity and repealing the basic public safety laws in place. >> but even individuals like goddard admit new gun legislation isn't going to pass any time soon. mike viqueria, al jazeera washington. >>> why some say new gun laws are not necessary. >> a historic celebration if texas today was overshadowed by the events in south carolina. genuinetejuneteteenth. >> we are celebrating the 150th anniversary of emancipation. we are not necessarily celebrating the 150th anniversary of freedom. because from all indications african americans in this country are still not free. >> praying and reflecting on the past and present. >>> wednesday's shooting in charleston has raised new quest

people know this person had a gun.n't an answer of the government regulating our laws. >> i think half of o your equation is probably the most instrumental. the only people, lars, who had an inkling he was up to anything would have been his family and friends who may have had some clues. we heard from the one young man who said he thought he was going awry, something was wrong. really who thinks the person they know is capable of this? >> well, even when they do, martha martha the problem is i've heard from plenty of families who said they called a police our son our daughter, usually or son, is at risk of doing something crazy and they say there's nothing we can do until the person has broken the law or has demonstrated he's a danger. one law that helped people at ris income that church on wednesday night. there's a law in south carolina that says that law-abiding citizens cannot legally carry a concealed weapon in a church. gun free zones are dangerous places to be. virtually all of the mass shootings in america have

he wasn't talking about gun control, he was talking about a gun as an act of violence. >> how many gunsntry right now? >> 700 million. >> more guns than people. like new zealanders and sheep. >> one thing to take on hillary clinton or barack obama. >> the way jeb did other day. >> dismiss him completely. >> he's out of his lane. >> yeah, well, the core challenge is hillary's and obama's ideas are not enough. we have 300 million guns. gun buyback program or something that's bigger. it's not totally clear that background checks can stop you if your gun isn't given to you by a family member or friend. guns are not always just sold. there are other ways to get guns. the solution has to be bigger than what they're talking about now. i don't think proposal as all as far as i can tell. if she comes out with a strong proposal during the campaign i would be surprised. >> how about a supreme court with common sense? how about a supreme court that says, you know, you can't have guns for all occasions. the right to bear arms is related to the right to militia. we're going back to the way it was wri

lawful gun owners, those who are unfamiliar with guns. we have to have a conversation about it and fix it. and ultimately, congress acts when the public insists on action. and we have seen how public opinion has changed. we have seen it change on gay marriage. we have seen it beginning to change on climate change. we have got to shift how we think about this issue. and we have the capacity to change it. but we have to feel a sense of urgency about it. we as a people have got to change. that is how we honor those families. that is how we honor the families in newtown. that is how we honor the families in aurora. now, the first time i spoke at this conference in 2008, i said that americans can be succeeding in spite of washington. they should be succeeding with some help from washington. and as president, i have made it a priority to partner with mayors like you. that is why i named three former mayors to my cabinet. that is why i asked the former president of this conference jerry abramson, to be one of my top advisers. [applause] that is

people call it the guns everywhere law. >> people compare the gun trafficking to drug trafficking, do you think it's that prevalent? >> i haven't ever been to new york city, i haven't investigated or look at what's going on in the northeast corridor. my bills have all been around georgia how we can strengthen our law, make it fair for individuals. but most of them make it effective that the law we have is it easy to understand and effective? maybe that's what they need, a little state legislature up in new york to work on theirs too. >> and georgia law does not require the reporting of stolen guns, making it easy for people to buy guns, sell them to criminals and later claim the guns were stolen, making the iron pipeline even more difficult to clog and shut down. robert ray, al jazeera, perry georgia. >> then i'd like to share you some responses i got to my article that i wrote for linkedin. mistrust of the news media and tv news in particular. head to my facebook page or look at me on twitter, @alivelshi. here are some of the helpful comments i've received so far. johnd writes, shut

are getting guns by going to gun shows, getting guns with states not reporting their offenses into a database. only three states fully report all of their domestic violence offenses into the fbi database. this is unacceptable because that means that there are thousands and thousands of people across the country who are perpetrators who are known perpetrators who still are allowed access to guns. again, as i say, what we heard in this hearing today that there's something that we can do about this. we know what we can do and we need to stand down to the gun lobby to get the hands -- get the guns out of the hands of abusers. >> congresswoman donna edwards, we thank you for your time. cleopatra pendleton, we can't bring hadiya back but god knows she has changed the focus of this country and her legacy because of her work will be to really make this country deal with it. wearing orange today is only the beginning of what hadiya has become to mean to this country. thank, god bless you and our prayers continue to be with you, cleopatra. >> thank you. >> thank you. >>> coming up a stunning c

he locked himself in the bedroom and had a gun. wife was listening on the other side of the door and his wife went into the room and said "please, phil i love you, don't do this", and he killed her. that was one that made me sit back and think, man, you know. anyone could snap. and a gun makes it more likely. >> reporter: what was the impact of doing that work on you? >> it was about a year in that it started to get to me and get to you. >> i became numb it was one more saturday night. it happens with america, i think that i can take gun violence. we accept it as a fact of life. it's because we are numb. >> a secret for massey's own past helped to keep her going, a family history about gun violence. years before she was born. >> it was here that my father took his first life. his name was joe, they called him joe the fish. he's a heroin addict. my father lured him into the park with a promise of heroin. and he and an accomplice turned around and shot him to death. >> reporter: massey would deliver that her father had been a mob enf

gun law, we would not be here. but the challenge is that laws are created for a just society. this guy was not trying to be a part of a just society. >> i want to go back to the issue that was in that editorial for a moment though. because there was an effort it feels right away to sort of make this a part of a bigger very troubled history that has existed, this is a black church, it was attacked by a young man who has espoused thoughts of segregationism and white supremacy. so when you heard about this crime and when you think about it now do you see it as a part of that continuum, as a part of that difficult history, or as something that appears to be separate from that? >> i think the fatherct of the matter is that people all around the country and world struggle with different types and different levels of prejudice and certainly racism is a real fact. it has not been eliminated. but we have made so much progress. what i hear in the question very often is not analysis of the individual but an attempt to drag us

did the guy have a shank, knife, gun. >> the guy has shorts on. you pull a gun at him. he could shoot anybody at any time. >> you don't see that was threatening? >> no. there's no threat at all. >> you didn't hear what these guys said. we cannot judge this. >> i'm not judging that. i'm saying that was to me he should have never drawn the gun. >> do you think that's a fireable offense? >> not fireable. that's excessive force. >> he didn't hit anybody. >> just by taking the gun out is more -- >> again, right here. watch this guy is mocking the cop. >> look at that. >> wait a minute. >> look at the other cop. >> it is too -- the other cops. he holstered his weapon. >> he was a cop and a detective in the 1970's. when i did a car stop i used to have my gun at my side at all times. when i was in some sort of reaction or action i had it pointing down. you don't know what these kids would have come out. they could have come out with something and popped the cop. you don't know. >> guys thank you. i appreciate you both. >>> we'll have more on both of these stories coming up late

we obvious talk about guns and gun control and gun violence.s actually lyly now the president of the conference of mayors. i understand the mayors are going to be discussing that very issue this weekend. so i think his remarks were just right on target given what we are seeing in this country, and especially given what we have seen the past few days in charleston. >>> matthew morris is with us a former special agent in charge. he appointed out that 11,000 americans were killed in 2013 by gun violence. he said once again you don't see this kind of violence in any other advanced nation on earth. you see it here in the united states he says, because of prevalentens of a lot of guns. your reaction to that? >> drawing on mice experience at the atf, we used the motto we enforce the laws that congress enact. it's very frustrating at times, that everyone that has a gun that shouldn't is not prohibited. as sunny would tell you, we can only investigate for criminal misuse and possession so clearly there are a lot of people in this country that have firea

you pull a gun. you can shoot anyone at any time. >> you don't see the threat. >> no let it at all. >> you don't hear what they said. we cannot judge this from what we just saw. >> i'm not judging that. i'm saying to me he should have never drawn that gun. under those conditions. >> you think that is a fireable offense. >> no not fireable. excessive force. >> but he didn't hit anybody. >> he took the gun out. >> again, here. watch this guy is like mocking the cop. >> and look at the other cop. >> and to his back. the other cops are supposed to -- >> and then he holsters his weapon. >> sure gill was a cop and detective in the 1970s. when i did a cop car stop i used to have my gun at my side at all times. whenever i was in some sort of reaction or action, i had it pointing down. you don't know what these kids would come out. they could have come out with something and popped that cop. you don't know. >> i'm not even going to answer that. >> i appreciate you both on this. we will have more on both stori

>> it's people with guns. a gun alone, a person -- it's a person with a gun.nce logic that's illogical the idea is that common sense tells it is a bern a gun who can carry out this type of suicide. 16,000 homicides per year in the united states. 70%, seven out of ten, take place with a firearm. so we've got to not allow convenient, if you will arguments, arguments of convenience, arguments that defy logic and common sense, to take away from the fact. and i would not say that simply gun safety alone is the absolute solution to the challenges of violence in this country. there are many things that we of course, need to do. look firearms have been used -- there was, this morning, the killing, it hasn't hit the news, of a law enforcement officer in new orleans who was transporting, if you will, a suspect, so firearms are being used against law enforcement officers. so we need to find if you will a new way forward in this country. and i want to say this. . i also think the people running for president. the united states all the way across the board ought to take a