government about the month yankee nuclear plant mr gundersen joining us on the telephone sir based on what you have heard this is reactor number 4 there was a fire there the other day what does that tell. mr gundersen i've learned from my sources that the radiation levels in the 4th reactor are so high that they've had to evacuate the personnel from there what that indicates is that the fuel pool is running out of order and if the personnel are not there to keep it refilled it doesn't surprise me that radiation levels are increasing dramatically if the wind turns and goes the other way. i would suspect contamination not just in japan but but potentially korea and china as well unless time they have before this is catastrophic it can boil dry in a day so they have you know on the order of 24 hours to straighten it out arnie gundersen is a very sober assessment we appreciate your expertise you've had experience building these spent fuel rods checks and we appreciate your expertise tonight i can't say i enjoy what i'm hearing but i'm glad we're getting from someone who knows this so well