they say let's not be deputies of the police, the child welfare system and mandatory reporting nate gunter make people deputies of the state agents, mandate them under penalty of law to turn people in if they suspect that their parents are now treating the children so that the children now get sucked up in the whole family is sucked up into the system. we really need to rethink what is supposed to be a system in which it props up all these other aspects as well. >> one other thing i was thinking about connecting to these conversations is how what you just outlined, not a call to ignore harms that are done, it is about completely coming up with a new paradigm in which to address those harms. and understand the origins of them is not the origin of individual deviance and benevolence but to understand what produces it in a much broader sense, it's a more accurate diagnosis so we can actually offer something that actually works and requires changing the paradigm. quickly, i will just say, you asked me about techno, and adding to the conversation, the word word is technology falling, we have tw