i would point out when we had bill gurley from benchmark capital, i believe 100 opponents in the s&p, us how frothy the market is, 100 points ago, and he's in the private equities side of the world. looking at how stocks come out from that side and come over onto the listed side. another really smart guy. however, with the fed doing what they're doing, as we'll hear from steve liesman, i don't know why you want to fight this tape. i understand the greater fool theory and all the rest, that somebody's gotta be there when the music stops. but right now, that music isn't stopping. and i believe it's going to keep going well into 2014. >> steve, it does raise the question of why we're here, how far we're going to go, and what happens when the party stops. >> yeah. >> when the music stops. >> the thing about larry, not only a veteran trader, but strides a lot of money. it's like arguing with the guy who runs the train depot, whether the trains will be on time. he sees them coming and going, so you don't want to have that argument. right? [ laughter ] i will say, one of the features of the