that's the kind of girl and -- gurule. that's the primary thing of them small animals the catch in the camps like mice mraps. but this meal was that classic meal. he had the new. he went to sleep in this house they lived in -- >> it had us in the kitchen and one bedroom. and the center kitchen was with three other units besides the room where the mother slow. we went into the bedroom, fell asleep and he was awakened i this conversation of his mother and brother about midnight. and he heard them talking, and he crawled and looked at and he also saw that his mother was cooking rice for his brother. rice is something that hardly exists at all in the camp, but it's grown their own some people, some farm workers and steal it but and his mom worked in the form at the camp so she must have stolen some overtime and was making rice. she never made rice for him. he was really jealous. he was 13. .. and then he heard his mother countenancing that conversation about the escape. he listened for a while and the rice said shrice she was