so i've waited long enough to mention gus fring. i have to talk to you about this. very few people agree on everything, right? no-one doesn't love this character. and over time, in the long history of television villains, even cinematic villains, gus fring is up on the top three, top five? - absolutely. - your character, or their character? was it your character, as you created it, or their character? - well i'll tell you a funny story. vince gilligan called me to be reprieving my role of gustavo fring. - which you are about to do on better call saul. - better call saul. and he stared by saying, it took a phone call from him after many phone calls, and me saying, "i don't wanna go back if it's just gonna be a tease". - you turned the studio down, didn't you? - i turned the studio down. and so he calls me, he says, "we're gonna maintain the integrity with which you created gus", and i said, "vince, you created gus, you wrote him, i just breathed life into him". he said, "no, no, you're responsible". so after we got through ten minutes of that back and forth, i said,