so in a way, bringing gustavo duhamel who has lit up the international community and what that is alloing to is a core belief that music is important to the community, and that the community loves and values the los angeles philharmonic for all of the art and for all of the education and for what it can mean to people's hearts on an everyday basis. i think that the los angeles philharmonic really means something to angelinos, because they love it. they love it. it was not always that way. >> yes. to your point, what do you make of the -- hmm, u how do i put this, cultural? artistic and fashion, and renaissance that the city of l.a. has undergone that parallels nicely to the time that you have been here. what do you make of that and what role do you see the orchestra having played in that renaissance in this city? >> well, you know a pivotal dinicly pivotal moment was the opening of the disney concert hall, because until that moment, it was an epic journey of 17 years of when it was first conceived to when it opened. you remember the downtown was like then. i remember at the press conf