in sao paulo, gustavo ribeiro, journalist and founder of the brazilian report., england, joao nunes, senior lecturer in international relations at the university of york. and in washington, d.c., paulo sotero, distinguished fellow at the woodrow wilson center's brazil institute. welcome to the program, and thanks so much for joining us today on "inside story." paulo, let me start with you today. how damaging is this report, and how likely is it that president bolsonaro would ultimately face trial, as a result? >> he will face trial, but not this year, not next year. i believe he will face trial once he is defeated in the presidential election of next year, which is a likely scenario. he will be tried for the crimes that were listed by the congressional committee. but obviously, the congressional committee report puts the record straight. this man committed enormous atrocities, him and his associates, and he will respond. politically, there is obviously a sort of shield, a political shield for him, organized in congress by his supporters, so the idea that the pre