he lost steve gutenberg. he expressed disappointment with obama noting, quote, it is hard to believe in the presidency anymore. the gut was asked about the banking crisis saying, quote, i voted for obama, but i don't want to see obama on "the view" and playing firsbie and i don't want to know it is $40,000 at george clooney's house. and i love cloney into. that was gutenberg. and i think he should be at his desk all day. mitt romney was asked about a bunch of hecklers who showed up to shout down obama's senior advisor at a campaign event. >> most of the events i go to, or many of the events i go to, they are large groups of obama supporters there heckling me. at some point you say what is sac for the gooses -- sass for the goose is sass for the gander. >> you know who is intlisfully unaware? you know who is blissfully unaware? these guys. >> i never get tired of watching synchronized eating. if obama has lost the gut, hasn't he in a real sense lost america? >> i think greg would be hurt you referred to him as

>> printing, gutenberg. remember that? yes. think about that. we think of books today so ordinary. everything is online, but the point is now information can spread very rapidly, relatively rapidly, and it does. so columbus's experience now is shared, and here you see -- the spanish have yet by 1500 have yet to get to the mainland. that will come later, but they're probing about,

. >> you should have seen it when gutenberg did the printing press. they were buying out the bibles. >> i have heard about it. so the question that i'm struck by now is listening to the three of you talk about the democratization, and i think walter's notion about the positive influences of these things. given all of that and the power of these new platforms, et cetera, what relationship do you see between those positive developments and the fact that our politics are as polarized as they have ever been? >> marcus? >> i mean, i guess i would challenge the assertion that they are as polarized as they have ever been. the history of the country is full of political vitriol and intense partisan rivalries. >> there are metrics that will demonstrate. the farthest left republican and the farthest right democrat that there's lots of space between them. >> not the nation. >> okay. congress is cheerily partisan to the point of almost dysfunction. but i'm not sure -- i don't know that i would start by blaming media. even if it were true, what's the action point?

news how we're going to get our information is going to is changing you know for from the from a gutenberg bible or a stone tablet or a wall painting to an i phone now i mean that's what's that's what doesn't change is change technological change people always want the information the problem is is that the other thing people want is to hear stuff that makes them feel good or to feed their passions and fears. to go cuckoo that doesn't change either so it's going to be an eternal battle between delivery systems and technology and our passions and stupidity so you know what are we going to what master are we going to serve now unfortunately we have a situation where the worst of both worlds is put together it doesn't matter whether it's online or on you know will mcavoy fictional network or on fox or the daily caller a politico and this and b c we've got the worst of both worlds now what we try to do is get people to pull that apart and pick you know really report things with authority and dignity and ethics and empathy among all things it does seem like it's driven on a lot of fare and it's

it occurs to me -- gutenberg's invention gave people the incentive to read and to learn to read. it pushed literacy. the internet is giving people the incentive to write or produce films or these other things to express. i have not until tonight but those two things together. i think that is a dramatic difference because we are now people who generate as well as people who absorber. >> that is incredibly important. -- people who absorb. >> that is incredibly important. we used to continue sitting on a couch. now we continue galloping on a horse. it is a much more active involvement. it is not even consuming. it is now extracting ourselves. information is the new entertainment. many media and it does not understand that are still puzzled that some many millions of people are doing this. they don't get that appeared nobody is -- they don't get that. nobody is making them do it. they can sit on the couch for seven hours on and watching bad tv. why is that entertainment? people want to be a part of their time. >> if you could get paid to do that -- i actually agree with you. it is an

or as long periods of time not working or called, gutenberg's.of the universe. the super comic the green lantern is coming out as openly gay. robin says, holy duh bad man. and bears are threatened and

but gutenberg accomplished if he made it possible for the person to read the priests and the pundits have to say what the internet makes possible is for everyone to contribute to that conversation more or less what arianna had been saying. so finally after the 20th century we really if you look at the television newspaper magazines they were all pretty much the same model that gutenberg started but today we have the model where you don't have to be a priest to have a voice and that is a revolutionary change and the whole history of humanity. >> some might say that's true but when i asked about evolution it's just we are moving everything faster. there was the printing press, the telegraph, television -- benet you are reading that wrong. with the system does is facilitate interaction and discover people who you don't know that have common interest. you don't even have to know who they are in order to interact with them on line. this is a different kind of a collaborative environment that we couldn't have at any other mass media. >> anything arianna? [laughter] >> it is in human histor

. >> you should've seen it when gutenberg do the printing press and all the businesses around the romancatholic church were buying up the vernacular bibles trying to stop it. >> i heard about it. so the question i'm struck by now is listening to the three of you talk about the democratization and i think walter's notion about positive influence of these things. given all of that in the power of these new platforms etc., what relationship do you see between those positive developments and the fact that our politics are as polarized as they have ever been? >> i guess i would challenge the assertion that they are as polarized as they have ever been. i think again, this tree of the country is full of political vitriol and intense partisan rivalries. [inaudible] >> you the farthest left republican in the farthest right democrat, there is lots of space between them. >> that is true in congress in general but not the nation. congresses to the point of almost dysfunction but i'm not sure, mean i don't know that i would start by laming the media. i think you know there is a leadership question t

it occurs to me to try to some of, gutenberg, couldn't birds invention gave people the incentive to read and to learn to read. it pushed literacy. internet gives people the incentive to write or to produce are all these other things to express. and i had not until tonight put those two things together. at thing that is a dramatic difference because we are now people who generate as well as people who sort. >> incredible. this growth stage. put it back. just a consumers sitting on a couch. now we are galloping on the head. passing out. much more active involvement. and it's not just even consuming it's now expressing. is in your entertainment. and i think media and don't recognize that, still bothered by the fact that so many millions of people are reducing. i don't get that. in fact, self expression. nobody is making them do it. nobody ever asks, why two people sitting on a couch for seven hours a month watching fred -- bad tv for free. entertainment. why is that entertainment? updating your facebook or whenever entertainment. that's what you want to do. people want to be part of the tim