. >> gutfreund.>> gutfreund. because its g-u-t-f-r-- >> it looks like gut-freund. >> yes. so why did you end your book this way? >> well, because i started the book walking back into my past, walking back into this place wall street that i had left when i was 27 years old and never really come back to as a book writer. and i was drawn back to it because of the experience i had had then. and one of the themes thats teased out in the story is that an awful lot of the crisis weve been living through has its seeds in things that happened in the 80s actually on the trading floor i worked. and so i thought it was appropriate to end the book by going back to sort of the person who was there you know and kind of got it all going. i mean gutfreund, in particular, was a seminal figure in wall street history because he had taken this legendary bond trading partnership salomon brothers and turned it into a public corporation. he had sold -- he had -- when he got control of the place he went public and this compl

how do you pronounce his name, john gutfreund. >> your "f-ing book" i wrote a book about liar's poker. he kept repeating that line. he was just emphasizing how intense he felt about it. i do not completely agree. he did make my career. it was a great way to start a literary career. the book was a big success. my book dealt him a glancing blow. i think, at that moment, he was thinking that here is this guy that i have never laid eyes on who wrote this book and followed me wherever i go. it has caused me some annoyance. i will say what i think about it. i let him say it. >> pronounced his name again -- pronounced his name again -- pronounce his name again. >> it sounds like "good friend." i was drawn back to this because of the experience that i had. one of the themes that are teased out of the story is that an awful lot of the crisis that we have been living through has its seeds in things that happened in the 1980's. i thought that it was appropriate to end the book by boat -- by going back to the person that was there. he was a seminal figure in wall street. he had taken this legenda