as woody guthrie said, any fool can be complicated. it is not about being learned, it is about bbinging to the square of our debate and decision making as human beings. our values must be front and center in the debate. host: a robust debate on our twitter page, twitter.com/c- spanwj. kevin, of south carollna. good morning. caller: the democratic and progressive, are they not the same people that tricked everyone into accepting the federal reserve in 1913 when everyone went home for christmas? the same federal reserve that has us in this almost a freshman? also, you were talking about jobs and respecting immigrants. have respect for u.s. citizens who are out of work. they do not respect us, waving flags from countries in the streets. unemployment could be solved quickly the same way that hoover and eisenhower solve it. guest: a big fork in the road around immigration is whether we are going to affirm the human rights of everyone and acknowledge that we are all immigrants with the exception of americans. i will not swear like grandparen

in the words of our own woody guthrie, and parallel songwriter -- an unparalleled songwriter, some will rob you with a sixth gun and some with a fountain pen -- six gun and some with a fountain pen. ain't that the truth. over the past 30 years, they have turned the economy into a high-stakes casino. the damage they have done is incalculable. there are many statistics. i could mention arena of statistics -- a ream of statistics. 30 million workers are either unemployed or underemployed. that is about four times the size of new york. can you imagine four new yorks where everybody is unemployed? that is what we have -- 30 million unemployed or underemployed. that is the official count. if you took the unofficial, more accurate count, it would probably be millions more. what a loss of productive power for our country. numbers alone do not measure the impact of this crisis. they never have, and they never will. you can put a price tag on the hardships people are experiencing -- you cannot put a price tag on the hardships people are experiencing. crushed hopes and deferred dreams resist easy