gil gutknecht was my right arm on the house floor. speaker sabo, as of yesterday, being the chair of the budget committee in washington, we have had to bring people together. the agreement yesterday, rather than talking about the specifics, let's talk about the tone of it and what it means for the future. does it signal an end to this hypersensitive partisanship? to the discourse that has happened in washington? should we see it as a sign of some cooperation in the future? >> i think it is a plus. it sets the framework for discretionary spending for this fiscal year and the next fiscal year. there are major problems that remain unresolved. those will remain difficult. we will find a little bit more will we get to the question of extending the debt ceiling next spring. clearly, that is something that has to happen. >> congressman, being in the republican side, now in control of the house, you read some accounts where it is not harmony. maybe because of what is not in the bill. this is your caucus. i did not want to turn this into winne

congressman gutknecht? >> i noticed that the vikings scored today and their opponents scored touchdowns in the last two minutes. the idea that if things don't move much until the end of the session and their pressure point is valid. we will always find that more activity will happen legislatively as you reach a pressure point. whether it is the budget or the debt ceiling. those are the times when you will see action. i do not recall that when moses led the israelites out of egypt he told them that they would wander for 40 years, ok? they did not know that when they left. i do not know how long we will wander in this timeframe. but i do know that ultimately i believe churchill was correct when he said americans ultimately do the right thing. once we have exhausted every other possibility. i think we as americans understand that we are all stakeholders in this government that we call the federal government. we are kind of in a tough box. there is a chance that we will begin to see some light at the end of the

gil gutknecht was my right arm on the house floor.aker -- speaker sabo, as of yesterday, being the chair of he budget committee in washington, we have had to bring people together. he agreement yesterday, rather than talking about the specifics, let's talk about the tone of it and what it means for the future. does it signal an end to this hypersensitive partisanship? to the discourse that has happened in washington? should we see as -- should we see it as a sign of some cooperation in the future? >> i think it is a plus. it sets the framework for iscretionary spending for this fiscal year and the next fiscal year. there are major problems that remain unresolved. those will remain difficult. we will find a little bit more will we get to the question of extending the debt ceiling next spring. clearly, that is something that has to happen. >> congressman, being in the epublican side, now in control of the house, you read some accounts where it is not harmony. maybe because of what is not in the bill. this is your caucus. i did not want

congressman gutknecht, i'm curious what you think about the longer-term implications. we have now gone through a government shutdown, there's a lot of fear that we were heading into another shutdown come january. we had almost default on the government's debt limit for past spending, twice. signal of larger change in the nature of governance with divided power in washington? in other words are getting back to regular order in congress would you give and take where compromise is not radioactive? is that irter answer think it is progress. the longer answer and i think he to be cynical, but i think there is more about politics than there is to this relative to policy. the politics have changed dramatically since october when obamacare started trying to enroll people on the website. if you look at the polling in someare now, i think respects republicans will be driven to compromise settlement the budget but also ultimately on the debt ceiling, in part because the old adage in politics is when your adversary -- we as to say committing suicide -- don't get in the way. the de

i would like to introduce the panel. , he served gutknecht in 12 -- for 12 years in the minnesota house and 12 years in the united states house of representatives. , who servedin sabo for a long time in the minnesota house of representatives, including a speaker from 1973- 1978. he went on to washington, where he served for 13 terms, i believe, in very important positions. it passed a budget act that played a major role in the reduction of the deficits during the 1990s. mine and colleague of teaches courses as well as working with us in some of our other programming. he was a representative in the minnesota house from 1979-2000 seven. he was also speaker of the house from 1999-2007. i want to begin by recognizing like toague, who would ask a few questions. then we will broaden the discussion how to include stephen the conversation with our panelists. >> thank you, larry. country, the conversation has changed a little bit since yesterday afternoon. congress has had some action on a bipartisan budget agreement, which i think is very good for the country. i would like to look at my two fri