. >> sing i regard him as a curator, the way -- they are hot the same guy atr&l and i don't know if they like each other to be honest, i never asked either of them, to be honest, i never heard anyone say anything bad but they are both curators, gentleman jeff wants to change the world, gates wanted to change the world, jobs, zuckerberg. >> i know it is corny to say change the world, those who who don't want to change the world but let's say flip their company, those people are not going to change the world but if you want to change the world, you may fail, but if you are smart like him and patient and you are kind of a curator and say let's make it better, this is not the right timing or let's to, let's go despite all the obstacles, let's not -- we won't make much money but let's go lay the foundation for this. those are the kind of people that will change the world. >> rose: and larry as well. >> a great third, definitely larry. >> much success to this thing. >> it is great and going to be greater. >> are we going to complaining the world, mossberg. >> i was thinking of the great t