ackerman and carlos garcia, gwen chan served as interim superintendent and i believe she was in that role for about 20 months. >> really. >> so that was a bit of a longer process. but i think the board at that time made that decision intentionally. it wasn't -- it didn't take longer than the board had expected. commissioner sanchez, you were a member of that board and i believe it was intentionally sort of a longer transition and when superintendent caronza left and i served as interim, i was in that role for nine months and i believe dr. matthews was selected by the board about seven to eight months into that period and then and that was about nine months after superintendent left. >> i'll have to check my records. >> president lopez: great. thank you for that overview of the process that we've gone through as a school district in the past. >> commissioner lam: from my perspective, it is going to be critical to find both to find a superintendent that can really help lead and steer this district which is going to be very rough in the coming years. we are seeing crisis as a district r