so he so happened to be sitting beside gwen moore, he was sitting beside her for some 20 hours, but throughoutthe aisles, several stops for refueling, and then of course at the -- in johannesburg and the event, the memorial service we again had a chance to talk. i spent a lot of time talking to him about the affordable care act, because i realize that we were diametrically opposed, opposite ends of the spectrum. he being against it and i being very much for it. i tried to explain to him in clear terms why it was so very important to me. i told him, i said, look, i'm concerned about the one out of ever four members of your texas population that does not have insurance and about the ones in my area. so -- so we had a dialogue, and we basically said -- he said, well obama care is not the proper way to go about this. i said to him this simple thing. i said, well, senator, tell me what you would do? we need to go about fixing it. the president said he's willing to sit down with anybody who's willing to work on fixing it, and he basically did not come up with an answer to that. but i wanted him, wol