joining me now is gwenn jackson and also keith whose family went without health care for two years. >for having me. >> thank you, reverend sharpton. >> gwenn, let me go to you first. you were at the court when the r50u8 ruling came down. it sure looks like you were excited. >> i couldn't believe it. i stood in line with a lot of law students and they all said that it wouldn't be, it was going to be a negative decision. and i sat in the supreme court and heard it, and it was so positive. so, yes, i was very excited. >> now tell us, gwenn, what would have happened to your family if the court struck down the subsidies. >> so right now we're being subsidized with our insurance because we were out of the network and my husband had a pre-existing condition. so what subsequently would happen is we would have to come up with that additional amount per month for that subsidy. >> keith how important would obamacare subsidies be to your family? >> well, it's the difference between having insurance and not having insurance. >> well, what would have happened if the court's decision went the other

he's accompanied by gwenn jackson, another supporter whose family has benefited from the law. and ron pollock joins us now along with dr. zeke emanuel who was an adviser to the white house on health care. so ron, let me start with you. you were joined today by somebody who has benefited directly from this law. this court ruling today in real terms to real people, what does it mean? >> it means that they now have the peace of mind that the health coverage they couldn't get before the affordable care act became law, now they know that they are getting significant help, they're get substantial subsidies that make health coverage affordable. and it won't be taken away. and so we have talked to countless people many of whom we've brought to washington to tell their own stories. gwenn was one of them. and they all say that if it wasn't for the affordable care act, they would be uninsured, many of them have major health care problems like gwenn's husband, he had a significant tumor. and if he did not have health coverage, he could not have gotten the care he needed. he ultimately got