has to be a sustained, uprising on the part of -- >> that's about political leadership and having the courage to face the risk that comes in you take strong positions. >> that's right. and we've had vrylittle of that in recent years. >> rose: when you look back, would you have made different decisions in terms of how you might have exercised your own sense of what was best about america and for america? >> oh, yes, i think would you ke different decisions if you knew more than you knew at the time. you know, you asked me on this program once a question that i struggled with since you ask it, why have you become radical. and my answer is because i have seen war of the world. journalism has made me radical in the sense of wanting to go to the root of things. and the root of this problem that we filmed. the root of the challenge facing these two families is systemic. it's not a matter of just personal virtue. it's not a matter just of moral accountability. it goes to the way our system wor and for whom it works, who wins and who loses. that makes you radical. wanting to return to the roots, gordon wood, i'm not sure if you ever had him on the show, a great historian, wrote a marvelous b