has had the tijuana garbage dump experience. even if it was -- >> oh i think that's exaggerated. >> no, i think everyone has had -- >> i haven't haa tijuana garbag-- >>o but -- >> i'm a very lucky >> b everyone s lo someone dear to them or hasaced some heartbreak, or is sitting on cancer. or everyone has had what i call the tijuana dump experience. not that extreme certainly. but everybody -- >> because tomorrow can bring something different. but for the garbage pickers, tomorrow brings more garbage. >> unless pastor von comes. there's always a tomorrow. the whole point of this i think is hope. when the hope ends, your life ends i believe. >> in your most recent book, teresita who was at one time queen of the yaqui indians, right? >> that's what they said. >> and then she was -- had dreams of being queen of the world. when she comes to this country he says, "you have to have a different dream in america, a different hope." what is that american dream for people like teresita? >> the things about the united states that intoxicate people. i mean, if people understood i think that the people i write about are enacting a love letter to america, not eviassat. this is, this is hope. you know, for example, this sounds like i'm not