john romano's also a conservative he's an author and a human rights activist reverend graham and hagel are two of them crossed swords on the issue in our washington studio saying if the new strict immigration law is justified. the whole argument is around the issue of scarcity when you've got all of these folks on employed all of a sudden you've got to look for a scapegoat for the reason why folks are employed but that's not the reason why folks ought employ the reason folks on employed is because of the way the economic system was structured wasn't regulated fell apart now the issue that you need to understand is that there's always been this country because of the capitalist system or a race to try to produce more or less that has always been the case so what happens is that you ended up basically outsourcing it's not that folks took jobs we gave away jobs we gave away jobs right there on the mexican border when we passed nafta and we passed caf to all the free trade agreements it was so that people of corporations based in the united states could escape all the kinds of regulations