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and the west coast an investigative journalist ben song gentlemen thank you for joining me today haider q ben let's start with you can you give us a little bit of an idea here on what we're seeing in terms of the services. yes so there's services that have existed for some time than others that are popping up that are fairly new everybody knows what zoom is at this point if you didn't know what the zoom was before coronavirus started you definitely know what it is now obviously it's a video communication tool that's used now zoom is a little bit different than what some people had originally thought it was it was originally designed for work spaces it's now being used for classrooms and other ins it was supposed to be in the in the encrypted but turns out it wasn't then there's microsoft microsoft or something called microsoft teams that's more of a workflow system it's probably closer to slack if you know what that is than it is to zoom you have google that now has something called google meet used to be hangouts rim or google hangouts but who uses google hangouts nobody does so it's n