hal rogers, on the other hand, let's see, what can i say about hal rogers? a wonderful member from kentucky who also in this arena knows as much about the subject as anybody that i know. one of the things that's disconcerting to me about this bill, for it is one that perhaps addresses the most important area of responsibility we have that is, protecting our homeland, combined this bill with our national security measure and that is our national defense and america's ability to protect freedom in the world. but indeed, it's interesting to note that at a subcommittee meeting recently, i spend some time dealing with another bill, and air -- an area the public isn't always so supportive of, namely the foreign assistance or foreign aid bill. it came to my attention in this process and exchange that the foreign aid bill that will be coming to the floor very soon is approximately $10 billion more than our homeland security bill. think about that. we're in a condition where people, to say the least, here at home are pressed to the wall. all kinds of concerns besides