hal saltsman says the h 1b visa is operational used in the tech field to keep salaries down. thanks for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> you heard viveck, employees are on that h 1b, they can't get a green card and leave the employee that they'remploy theyy speaking wages for h 1b workers are higher than american workers. >> that's not actually true. let me start with my long term friend viveck, talk about where we agree where about 15% of the demand is for the quote talent pool. viveck and i agree that some place in silicon valley there's a demand for global -- >> he says about 20,000 you know out of the 85,000 a year that we bring in. >> okay, so we're in the same ballpark. so if we wanted to limit 20,000 people earning over $100,000 a year for the talent problem solved. but that's not what this debate is about. the debate is about the other 60 to 100, $150,000 that the industry wants for the low paid jobs for the tech industry in the 60 to 60,000. there is no evidence that they are paid more. in fact what we know the h 1b is used for primarily not the silicon valley not the