haldeman denied it. haldeman did not necessarily add anything to it. when haldeman years later published his diaries, he had reported that before i met with mitchell, mitchell to his surprise after he had stonewalled him, right after the break in, is when haldeman asked him again if he had indeed approved liddy's plans, mitchell had acknowledged to haldeman that he had done so, which is pretty solid corroboration. moderator: you never saw richard nixon again. john: i never did. i would not have had any problem with it, but he would have. his personality, it would have been difficult. in the memoirs are pretty curious. he at one point says how much he likes me and respects me in the memoirs, but then i lied before the senate and the problem is that he had lied more than i had. no. i do not know what he -- this is when they were nitpicking and using minor problems in my getting one thing on one date wrong with another date, which -- moderator: you and your blind ambition get the notion that the president's own knowledge of watergate is always shifting. h

john: that would be haldeman. haldeman coming from nixon. because nixon clearly does not like how effective o'brien is of a democratic spokesman, and he thought there was a, which there was, o'brien and kennedy. and nixon was still up until the last minute very distressed and concerned about having to run against teddy kennedy. moderator: who would have been the desk officer in haldeman's operation? john: it was spread around. he would be sort of the super junior staffer. after that, they would move around. but, you know, haldeman, they were more shepherding. haldeman would have morning meetings, the senior staff meeting, and haldeman would meet with his own staff, senior staff, ray price, myself, fred malek, bill timmons used to come in to that, some others, and these things would be shepherded around, but i cannot recall ever , you know, anything of an illicit nature ever coming into those meetings. moderator: i was going to say you would think that would be closely held. and that he would only have a few. john: yeah, it was. ehrlichman wa

. >> it was haldeman. he told and happened with huston and he said that huston was able to not get this off the ground after the president pushed for it. he told me to see what i could do with it. we came out with an interagency evaluation committee. one of the reasons i took the plan with me when i left -- at that time, i was convinced that nobody would ever believe the kind of atmosphere that had developed within the white house. this was the best paper record of it that i knew of. i knew it was a security breach to do so, i solved that quickly by having my lawyer make arrangements to have judged sirica take it. we gave him a key to a lock box. he did not even look at it. there was no security breach not that there was any rubble because sam ervin put the whole thing into the senate watergate hearings. there are a few parts but they are not particularly sensitive. what's interesting on that document it was so highly classified that even the classification was classified. >> wow. were you at all involved

haldeman denied it. haldeman did not necessarily add anything to it.when haldeman years later published his diaries, he had reported that before i met with mitchell, mitchell to his surprise after he had stonewalled him, right after the break in, is one haldeman -- w hen haldeman asked him again if he had indeed approved liddy's plans mitchell had acknowledged to haldeman that he had done so, which is pretty solid corroboration. moderator: you never saw richard nixon again. john: i never did. i would not have had any problem with a, but he would have. his personality, it would have been difficult. in the memoirs are pretty curious. he at one point says how much he likes me and respects me in the memoirs, but then i lied before the senate and the problem is that he had lied more than i had. no. i do not know what he -- this is when they were nitpicking and using minor problems in my getting one thing on one date wrong with another date, which -- moderator: you and your blind ambition get the notion that the president's own knowledge of watergate is alwa

john: that would be haldeman. and nixon because nixon clearly does not like how effective o'brien is of a democratic spokesman, and he thought there was a situation between o'brien and kennedy, which there was and he was still up until the last minute very distressed and concerned about having to run against teddy kennedy. moderator: who was the cadet officer in haldeman's operation? john: it was spread around. he would be sort of the super junior staffer. after that, they would move around. haldeman would have morning meetings, the senior staff meetings, and he would meet with his own staff, senior staff, ray price, myself, fred malek, bill timmons used to come in to that, some others, and these things would be shepherded around, but i cannot recall ever anything of an illicit nature ever coming into those meetings. moderator: i was going to say you would think that would be closely held. john: yeah, it was. ehrlichman was the one who was principally giving the instructions to caulfield. he would pick up the phon

he was willing to go to prison for the president but not for haldeman and ehrlichman. also, he was not willing to perjure himself. he was a fairly unprincipled person and i think has learned a lot of truthfulness now. i like him a lot. he is a friend of mine. i believe he is a great truth teller. at that time, he was still a white house man, as he put it, blind ambition. he was not willing to perjure himself. he revealed in the course of plea bargaining the break into the doctor's office. i will condense that greatly. nixon did his best which is pretty good to keep that from going to my trial for 13 days or so, from the 13th-26th. nixon kept the knowledge of the fielding break-in which was clearly his responsibility to inform the judge of this break-in and the nsa wiretaps. he ordered the material not go to trial. the lawyers on april 25 went into him and implied they would have to resign because they would be guilty of obstruction of justice if they did not pass that material on. nixon on the 25th, then authorizes them to give the information to my judge, to tell the

we also have haldeman, guy colton, others focused on canada. it essentially would have to tractive from the overarching narrative of the book and lead to even more duplication. the danger of doing it this way is you get duplication. because obviously some of these personalities were involved in the same histories. i wanted to have as little overlap as possible. one must question, and then i'm going to show the clip. -- one last question and i'm going to show the clip. >> they had completely crippled american trade. had they been able to do so during the american war -- there was no way for them to make gunpowder or flints or saltpeter or anything like that -- if they were able to cut them off initially, in your opinion with that have been another factor -- andrew: yes. and germane's one of his strategies was a naval blockade and he argued that the navy should also be attacking. the problem was they were convoy eating all of these merchant ships. they were also accompanying the army. they were never able to totally blockade the south. even weeks