later that day, lbj gets an update about the committee's actions from house majority whip hale boggsnd you will hear mention of chairman wilbur mills. >> mr. president i just want to ask you what happened with the social security. will going to give it to us again? >> well, i'm aaid so. what happed was we were within a half a breath of having t thing, and god bless them, not knowing mills, we better check on whether not this thing is germane, whether it's subject to point of order. and i said to myself, christ almighty that's all we need to get off the. and sure enough, he comes back and says. [inaudible] it may be something to the point of origin to the meantime i've talked to maccormack and i know we will get a rule, whether it's subject avoidable or not. and it ended up i just told him. i said we just got to fight the thing out, mr. chairman. you have taken this course, if you think it's reprehensible to get a rule. i think it's reprehensible for the way you acted. and we ended up the way we ended was they are going to draft something, but he is giving us all baloney about not goi

majority whip hale boggs. later that day, l.b.j.ad news about the medicare provisions of the social security bill. as he talks with conferee and senator, george smathers. >> hi. i find -- three basis. there and i talked to them. i talked to russell and hale. and somebody else. >> yeah. >> russell wasn't there today. >> he -- >> like me -- he was lobbying on this other job. and i was busy raising $75,000 for florida. which we raised on that. we got that fellow we talked about, just a little bit, comes from virginia. he's coming in. and anyway, you got the pick, it looks -- did you talk to clint? >> i'm going to though but i got the general here. and so long as i finish, i'll call him. >> i'll talk to you. you can talk to himself yourself. anyway, if you're going to do it. i talked with ferry and -- i talked to wilbur coin and everybody, they're under the impression it looks worse than it had been. it should just wind itself out. and not deal with anything. they think that would be the best. now wilbur thinks it is not necessary. byrd

hale boggs and carl albert called me a little while ago. they came to the conclusion that the best thing to do on this medicare bill would be to go to conference without instructions. they wanted to get our view on it here. i told them that i was lucky to disturb you with it, that you had -- i told them that i was not going to disturb you with, that you had discussed it with me and that i could say to them that their argument made some sense and it sounded reasonable and they could get in those two comment at some point -- and they could get mills to comment at some point and withdraw any attempt to have any kind of floor action on it. they're going to contact maccormick. they felt he shared their views. he asked me about labor. i told him that labour's share their view. they told me exactly the same thing. [unintelligible] i said he should talk to the three leaders. to cecil king -- and to talk to cecil king. let's see, in talking to mills the the day, he said, i cannot see the point. he follows going florida. the speaker wants to do it. i

lbj talks with o'brien and with russell long and hale boggs, also of louisiana.are the prospects of this amendment in the committee? >> not good. nonetheless, they feel like it is worth trying this out, so this, and you heard mention how russell long was difficult to deal with on this. he does become the floor leader of the senate in 1965 for the legislation that passes. at this point and he wants add amendments, and one of the things is the administration and even will board mills is working on, want to see, it is a clean bill. we will see some mention in these conversations about russell long and albert gore and how they are messing things up by throwing amendments on to the bill. it comes out as a successfully passed amendment on september 2, and hill blogs -- hale boggs, he is clearly a more dependable supporter of the administration, very close to lyndon johnson, he saw eye to eye with him on many issues. he represented a conservative district in louisiana. >> we will talk to you again a bit later. now, i call between president johnson and tennessee democrat