i think that the question for nikki haley and the problem for nikki haley, of course, is you're looking forward. people are already projecting on to her what, is she going to be in 2012? what is she going to be in 2011? is she going to be the face of the republican party? we've already heard her mention could she be a vice presidential pick? will she be the keynote speaker at the 2012 republican convention. she has to be very careful, take it one step at a time and not look like she's already going for the next big job and focus on what she needs to focus on, which is the state of south carolina. >> woodruff: adolphus belk, we are watching here the thread of the story that has to do with rejecting anybody connected to washington, anybody connected in a couple of these instances in the haley contest, she was running against a congressman who had voted for the bank bailout. and has happened nay couple of other races around the country. to what extent do you feel in south carolina the role of the tea party movement? >> south carolina is a small state benefit 4.5 million people.Ñ- nd so in

representative haley, first? >> jobs first and illegal immigration third. >> it is kind of hard to separate them, but i would do the same. >> we will tackle all of those when we come back after this short break. >> and welcome back. before we went to break, we asked the candidates to list their priorities and their jobs, and representative haley, you are first. eliminating the small business tax. we talked about that a lot. how much does that represent? >> we need to look in every tax, every exemption, and every feet, because a fee is a tax. in the year 2005, 2006, in 2007, when government grew by $1 billion per year, nobody asked, "what are you going to cut? everybody wants to know how you're going to replace it. the key is, when you get the profit margins, the first thing they do is hire people. it is the number-one thing that can spur our economy quickly and get people back to work quickly and help the economy grow in a way that were really make it strengthened. i know there are things we can cut. the educatio

rep haley you are first. your plan for economic prosperity is to eliminate the small business income tax. how much money does that represent and how would you replace that loss of revenue in the state? >> first of all, as an accountant, we have a band-aid structure. we need to look at every tax, every exemption, and faced. the first thing we need to do is eliminate small business income tax. right now it is about 3% of our budget. in 2005 through 2007, nobody asked what we would cut. at this point, talking about eliminating small business income tax, everybody wants to know how you will replace it. the key is when you give them profit margins, the first thing they do is hire people, invest into the state. it is the number-one thing to spur the economy and get people back to work quickly and help the economy grow and a way that would really make it strengthened. the 3% of our budget. i know there are things we can cut. the education oversight committee, which advises, looking at education and how expensive is

participating in this debate, gresham barrettand nikki haley. although this is co-sponsored by the league of women voters and the aarp, they have complete control over the questions asked. they will have one minute to answer each question, rebuttals, and follow-up questions. >> we are going to get right to the questions. we received an e-mail today from a registered republican of over 45 years and a retired army infantry officer. he is upset about one of your commercials that identified you as u.s. army retired and referred to you as a military man when you serve on active duty for and a half years and resigned more than 20 years ago. what do you say to him and other career military veterans who believe that was dishonest. >> it was an honest mistake. we put that add up. we were running 120 miles per hour. as soon as we saw it, we took it down. i am proud of my military service. i have never hidden the fact that i have served four and a half years and the army. unfortunately, it was a mistake. it has been corrected. >> how long did that run? it

and also what he views as nikki haley's weakness is heading into the general election. host: the analysis for the general election. guest: this is a republican state, a republican year. at this point i would have to say that this is a likely republican hold. host: there was also an interesting house race in south carolina. the fourth kundra -- congressional district, a challenge from the right, tea party organization, that he was not conservative enough. guest: he made it into a runoff but trailed behind his republican challenger, the prosecutor from spartanburg. trailed him by i think 25 points. he still trailed by double- digit. so he heads into the runoff i think as the decided underdog. inglis had frankly, over the past six terms, a relatively conservative record but not conservative enough for tea party activists, gowdy, and clearly a lot of the voters in the district. a lot focused on a couple of key issues. he voted for the tarp bill. he had said over the past several years that global warming was a real and that it was caused by humans. he voted against presiden

nikki haley just barely missed getting 50%. she's got a runoff, but she's now considered to be the favorite. what's the lesson here? >> i wish-- well, one is , can you actually run a gubernatorial race where a candidate agrees to take a lie detector test? that, to me, was one of my favorite parts here. i think the lesson is this is a great case where the anti-establishment candidate was able to still keep that mantle even as she was being attacked. in fact, the more she was attacked, the more she grew in stature because what i think she was able to tap into was a frustration along south carolina voters that they'd become something of a laughing stock after the mark sanford debacle, et cetera, that they wanted to be proud of the person they elected and this looked like it was sort of a smear campaign. i think what-- the straw that broke the camel's back was the racial epithet made by a republican state senator about her on the radio and i think that is is the issue where the voters say we don't want to continue to be on comedy c

>> what are they saying about haley? >> they are referring to her as the sanford candidate. there's also the traditional message behind it. >> the former republican gov. this week endorsed haley. what impact has that had on the race? >> both were looking for the endorsement of mr. masters. he is the attorney general, the definition of south carolina establishment, as some have to find him. it makes it more certain that once the republican party chooses a nominee, everyone will line up behind haley. right now, she has a pretty commanding lead. she will be in charleston and hilton head on friday, campaigning with mitt romney, as well as with jenny snaford. -- sanford. that should give her a bump. >> we want to take a look at some of the campaign ads. >> we said no to bailouts in washington. we said no to inside dealmaking in the back room politics. most importantly, we said yes to south carolina not just being republican but becoming conservative and reminding elected officials who is they work for. i am a woman of god who

haley? what's your question was about economic conditions in rural areas. what we need to understand is we have to have this tax structure that works. if we have to look at our educational system. we are spending $12,000 -- we that does not touched the school districts. and we have to set up vocational programs starting in the ninth grant so they are ready for a technical school so in these rural areas, and we are getting the skilled work force that can bring these companies and i know we can build those areas of. >> mr. bauer. >> we need for regional offices. it's not just be in colombia. it should be working with the local folks to find out what they need. whether it is plastics right here in this area. i have been to taiwan and build a relationship with them. we need a port in south carolina for when the panama canal is finished. i have been there and met with the shipping companies. you have to start planning for the future. whether you do a public-private partnership, we need eight intermodal port. we have to do something about our tax structure. we do

our candidate include andre henry mcmaster, and nikki haley. please give the candidate a warm-up south carolina welcome. [applause] he is also the immediate president of the south carolina press association poun. she is the current metro editor of the morning news. please welcome our panel as well. [applause] [applause] this debate will focus on job creation and long-term economic growth across all of south carolina. each candidate will have a chance to answer tee questions posed by each panelist and the candidates have one minute 30 seconds to enter the qution when it is their time. the other three candidates have 30 seconds for rebuttal. we have a series of corn ponces to determine the order -- quintana says -- coin tosees to determine the order. >> the recent poll among registered voters found that jobs and the economyr their top priorities with little or no concernbout welfare. is your attention on the welfare question only a hot-button issue to appeal tooters in the gop primary? was absolutely not. we will have a record drop in the amount

rep haley? no. >> increasing user fees? >> no. >> no. >> if it is new construction, it is something that we can think about. >> you're talking about mandating a structure. we need to say that some things go off and some things go down. we will not absolutely cut everything. if you cannot just say that we are going to do this and not do this. that is what has happened thus far. when that -- we need to have a plan of where the oney is going to go. >> it is also thinking outside of the box. we are in uncharted territory. we have never had a downturn in my dad -- in my lifetime. i am a big proponent of the natural gas reserves and using those four jobs and economic growth. it could be $250 million that we could use for whatever we see fit. what i would propose is to use 70% for infrastructure and 10% tt roll back into renewable energy. >> you have mentioned that you want to revamp the tax code and every exemption. give voters a time line on how long that will take. >> i think that we will have to work quickly and fast. six mont

. >> sneaky haley did not get the 50-per -- the 50% margin she had hoped for. we will see the runoff on june 22. >> the story here is niki haley and what she was able to get passed in the primary. it is nothing short of remarkable. she took a lead in the polls and was buffeted by allegations of extramarital affairs and racial slurs. everything but the kitchen sink was thrown against her. she still had a very commanding position going into the primary. she is the state representative of a very small base. she fell just short of the 50%. she will come very close, but fall just short. she will have a runoff against a congressman who was not really in the ballpark. both of them were under 50%, there will be a runoff. typically, you think that nikki haley would have the advantage and maybe there would be pressure for the congressman to step out because the margin was so great that he should step back for the good of the party and allow her to claim the nomination. tonight, the congressman's camp seemed to indicate that he would not step out of the race at all. it is

haley, 32nd. >> i live in rural area where we did not know we did not have. now represent lexington county where every public schools like a private one. you go in there and there is a smart board in every classroom. where i grew up, they do not know what a smart board even is. when we start to do that, including merit-based pay for teachers, incentivizing and mentors, we will have to think outside of boston and understand is all our communities get involved. we have to reform education if we want to see any changes in the inequities in this state -- as a substitute teacher, the money ought to be in the classrooms. but do not be fooled. we continue to hear about money for it if you don't put discipline back in the classroom and give parents in these struggles back engage in their child behavior and their child's education, you never fix the education system. we have schools that are great. their schools better filled with parents that are engaged -- go to other schools and they cannot make you work no matter how much money you pour into them. my right hand ma

it has not hurt haley, though. mitt romney back to her. unless there is a major upset, she will win. she wouud be favored to win in -- in south carolina, the favorite, unless ssmething emerges that is very conroversial. but she has withstood the punches. host: what are the other office reading the races right now? are there certain outcomes today? certain shake ups? there are many other prairie steep into august. guest: they are nervous. votes that can come back those for thee2008 bailout, the tarp votes, the healthcare vote -- if you did not vote and you are democrats, have reason for concern. jim was in a runoff today and expected to beat the retired schoolteacher. it into theerunoff even had only spent a amounttcompared to his $7500000 spent. win. expected to even though it is a very district, he voted no on health care. the republicans do not have a credible challenger. so, if you can get past this hurddegetmatheson will likely be reelected. we saw with video cameras, the electorate issangry. most incumbents are still winning. blanche

it has not hurt haley, though. mitt romney back to her. unless there is a major upset, she will win. she would be favored to win in the general -- in south carolina, the favorite, unless something emerges that is very controversial. but she has withstood the punches. host: what are the other candidates for office reading from the races right now? are there certain outcomes today? certain shake ups? there are many other prairie steep into august. guest: they are nervous. the big votes that can come back to you are those for the 2008 bailout, the tarp votes, the healthcare vote -- if you did not vote and you are democrats, you have reason for concern. jim was in a runoff today and was expected to beat the retired schoolteacher. she made it into the runoff even though she had only spent a small amount compared to his $750,000 spent. he is expected to win. even though it is a very conservative district, he voted no on health care. the republicans do not have a credible challenger. so, if you can get past this hurdlegetmatheson will likely be r

i kind of want to go with nicky haley is probably who i will vo vote with. i'm not sure yet. i hope south carolina can get back to the morals that we stand for, because what our governor done was a disgrace and it shouldn't happen. i just hope that south carolina can get back to morals what we stand for. host: thank you. take us deeper. this has gotten a lot of play. guest: it sure has. whatever your position on the morals of the state are, i think everybody down there must have a desire to get back to some political comity and a little less of the rancor we have seen the last couple of years. the political mess really started last year when mark sanford, two-term governor, seen by some people because he was kind of an icon class particular kevin tough figure, one of the first governors to come out strongly saying we are not going to take all the stimulus money after the bill was passed. some were talking about him as a potential 2012 presidential candidate. then we know, he disappeared a few days, his staff said he was out hiking appalachian trail and he came back and admitt

he talks about whether nikki haley can fill her star potential in south carolina. whether angle will discredit the tea partyers? talking about women candidates this morning. the next call is from arizona. chuck, independent line. go ahead. caller: good morning, susan. a good call from las vegas, i concur. yes, i'm all for women in government. i think we would be a lot better off if we had more women in government. however, i seem to be seeing a trend here. where i am located geographically is right where california and nevada and arizona come together. i have been watching things recently. the trend that i see is that a lot of the women that are running for major office now are just so far to the right that it is scary. and i don't know how this has happened. i'm an independent. i am a bernie sanders independent. it will let you know where i'm. but it is frightening. the women in california are anti-choice. that is not going to sell in california. the one in nevada, this angle, knowing where she stands on issues, that will not sell in nevada. i just don't know -- o

i kind of want to go with nicky haley is probablyho i will vo vote with. i'm not sure yet. i hope south carolina can get ck to the morals that we stand for, because what our governor done was a disgrace and it shouldn't happen. i just hope that south carolina can get back to morals what we stand for. host: thank you. take us deeper. this has gotten a lot of play. guest: it sure has. whatever your position on the morals of the state are, i think everyby down there must have a desire to get back to some political comity and a little less of the ranco we have seen thlast couple of years. the politicaless really started last year when mark sanford, two-te governor, seen by some people because he was kind of an icon class particular kevin tough figure, one of the first governors to come out strongly saying we are not going to take all the stimulus money after the bill was passed. some were talking about him as a potential 2012 presidential candidate. then we know, he disappeared a few days, his staff said he was out hiking appalachian trail and he came back and admitted an extra

former governor sarah palin has given her support to a handful of candidates, including haley, runningor south carolina governor. she also came out this past week to endorse a candidate who is running against senator lisa murkowski. that is up in alaska, murkowski is a republican there. the former governor palin endorsed little-known -- "competition makes everybody worker, be more efficient, debate clear, and produce more. the the media has tried to trace some sort of feud or bad blood between lisa and myself, such as the case. it is my firm belief we need a bold reformer. chris, democrats line in new haven connecticut. what do you think? caller: i definitely believe in electing newd an candidates. i am 59 years old. my entire life i have voted in every election except for what i was disqualified for. but i have never been able to vote in a primary because, until now, i have never been registered with the political party that had a primary. i was briefly in the greens, and we did not have the primary. in honor of senator kennedy, i joined the democrats to push for health care change. a

governor haley says the oil spill is no big deal. new york is next and this is john of our democrats online. go ahead with your thoughts. caller: i thank you for cspan. the coastline in the coast is be spoiled anyway and that could change policy. everything is correct anyway. -- everything is wrecked any way. that is a shallow coastal i compare to the other oceans. -- that is a shallow coastline compared to the other oceans. there is deep water life under see that is being killed.+ if there is nothing left to lose, that will change policy for the worst host: kimberly, west virginia, on our independent line. go ahead. hello? caller: i thinn the oil spill is a cover-up just like 9/11. host: describe that further. what do you mean by a cover-up? what is being covered up? caller: i think this happened to destroy ouu waters and a lot of work for everybody else. i think 9/11 was a cover-up because when the building came down it was like a demolition the way it was set up. i have seen fell on it and i have also seen -- i have seen film of t

mark sanford predict candidates are congressman gresham barrett, andrea bauer, nikki haley, and henryter. this one-hour debate is curtis wp curtis whobtw -- this one hour debate is courtesy of wptw. >> i won i thank our viewers tonight. in this first of two gubernatorial debates for south carolina sponsored by frances marion it universities. we're joined by the four gubernatorial hopefuls that hope to be south carolina's governor for the primary is one week from tonight three are candidates include andrea bauer -- andre powebauer and others. please give the candidates all warm south carolina welcome. it tonight's debate also features of panel from throughout the state. harry is also the immediate past president of the south carolina press association for joining him is his former colleague, the current editor of the morning news, and my colleague, rusty rate. please welcome the panel as well this debate is coming up one week before the primary and will focus on job growth across all of south carolina purred par one involves questions from our media panel. each will have a one minute a

host: haley barbour, a longtime washington, d.c. lobbyist, republican national committee chair and republican governor of that state, what impact does he have on the primary there? >> you mean the congressional primary? host: yes. guest: it is hard to say. the question is whether the establishment favorite will pick up the 50% he needs to face off against travis childress in the general election. if not, they will have to go to a primary. a runoff, rather, in june. but the question really is whether or not he is going to be able to take what he needs. host: alex isenstadt, following the primaries and alabama, mississippi, and new mexico, thank you for being with us on c-span. samuel gerdano is joining us, the head of the american bankruptcy institute. thank you for being with us. guest: consumers are facing increasing problems, from high debt loads, and they are in a situation today as a matter of the housing crisis. homeowners are, in many respects, under water on their mortgages and zero more on a home that it is worth. that makes

nikki haley. >> thank you. this -- the elections matter on the state and federal level. we have seen a lot of republicans that will learn the talking points but did not know the actions. one thing we consistently noticed and my busines is how hard it was to the fifth ohis hits was for government to take it. we have to make government understand that these people pay this money and how we spend it matters. by and the only one on this panel that has opposed the stimulus package. it just ran up the credit card debt. we are going to be in its budget crisis. we will do that. i am in a format that understands that all things are possible. i am the daughter of immigrant parents that remind us every day how blessed we are. i and the sister of a man who fought in desert srm and i remember what it was like when we did not know if he wld come home. i am the mother of two children in public schools and i care about their education and i care about what type of ovnment they have. i am it legislated that knows what good government is and i want people othe ate to know what that feels