i went to see halil shikaki. halil shikaki is the leading palestinian pollster.n terms of what he does. he works very closely also with the leading israeli pollster. they dojoint surveys... he's thejohn curtice of the middle east. exactly. and anyway, shikaki, by the way, grew up in a refugee camp in rafah and he got out through education, got a master's degree, ended up being educated in america. anyway, what he said, which i thought was absolutely despairing, was that there's a growth in mutual dehumanisation between both israelis and palestinians. there's always been a bit of that, but it's really accelerated because of the impact of the war. and the way he put it was he said, look, israelis look at what happened on october 7th, look at the killing, look at the hostage—taking, look at the sexual violence and they say, how can we ever have peace with anybody like that? and he said palestinians on the other hand, look at what's happened — entire families destroyed, entire neighbourhoods destroyed, virtually the whole of the gaza strip destroyed, 33,000 people pl