. >> hall u lieu ya. we couldn't own our narrative because we didn't want to. if and many ways we wanted to be college kids we wanted to experience the world and wanted to fobs focus on not more than how did people perceive us really. >> i think also you know what is interesting is that -- anybody can relate when you're work colleagues somehow you get characterized one way or the other so we've had ans interesting time writing this book because so many times people say it you're the loud one. but really if people knew us barbara is far more independent and really outgoing and she mute commutes as a job she's -- has the most amazing confidence and it shines those that know her see it but then you kind of wonder i think everybody can wonder this like do you fall under other stereotypes appeal or do you kind of play into that more because that's what people think of you, and it's been really fun for us to explore that and seen people we love dearly grandfather, mother, and father stereotype in certain ways and some of those stereotypes are, of course, true and som