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he's in hamas. what are you hearing from the spokesman of hamas in beirut? the egyptians haven't even delivered the proposal formally to the hamas leadership. >> reporter: yes. well, we did get initial reaction from the spokesman for the hamas movement who simply rejected it and said that hamas has its own conditions that must be met first before there is a cease-fire. and of course initially when news came out that there might be a cease-fire, many gazans were quite happy. they're exhausted after eight days of these almost constant air strikes on gaza because if there's not a cease-fire, the future is going to look grim. it's the scene repeated hundreds of time in gaza over the last week. a house blown to bits in an israeli air raid. its contents blasted into the road. no one was hurt this time here in northern gaza. the house next it door was hit 20 minutes ago. they received a three-minute warning. the problem is, okay, the house next door might be a target, but this one wasn't, and half of it is destroyed. the neighbor says there was no unusual activity

but hamas is part of that.s it all mesh together. >> tell technically there is a unity government of the palestinians, that does help a little bit, but there hasn't been a lot of unity between the various groups. so the fact that this seems to be a point initiative, and we're also hearing from a possible joint trip from both sides, going to cairo to actually speak to the egyptians. what we need to find out is how israel will respond. there are two very important meetings taking place at about the same time, at 7:00 local time, that's three hours from now, israeli's security cabinet will be meeting, then the plo political committee will be meeting. i think we'll have to wait, if this is going to actually stick, we're going to have to wait, i think a couple of hours. >> james thank you for that, and actually it's probably good for you to stay on board and have a listen to this next guest. sir, can you explain clearly for us and definitively for us this idea of the 24-hour truce and how you speak for hamas and isl

hamas started this bloodshed and hamas can and it. canada looks forward to the day when israeli and palestinian children can live side-by-side in peace and security. and a jewish state and a palestinian state. negotiations are the only way forward. canada continues to believe the two state solution is the only way to bring lasting peace. until then, israel can count on canada. they can count on us to continue to stand shoulder to shoulder in support of israel's pursuit of freedom, peace, and security. thank you. [applause] >> good afternoon. my name is greg mashburn, i am the chair of the adl's new york regional board. there are people of goodwill from everywhere, of all religions, people that are not afraid to see reality and supports israel's right to defend itself. our next speaker is one of those people. the newe president of york divinity school and is a member of the board of the national association of evangelicals. he is also the public philosopher of the christian post which is the world's most widely read online religious pu

there's clear evidence point of third that hamas is behind it and hamas is also driving a reckless policy at the moment israel is fighting a just war hamas initiated this conflict it started this conflict no other country in the world will tolerate can tolerate would tolerate such an attack on its cities towns civilians and israel's doing its utmost to protects its citizens ok norman would you like to reply to that just war. well first of all there is no evidence at this point that hamas was responsible even the u.s. state department which typically apologizes for any and every israeli action the u.s. state department was asked just two days ago in july nine do you have evidence that hamas is behind this and they said as of now we don't have evidence in any event what's clear is that prime minister netanyahu then used to exploit this incident for political purposes and as i'm sure that is aware it was all over the israeli press and it was said candidly it was said with forthrightly that prime minister netanyahu was using the incident in order to destroy hamas and because he wanted to dism

hamas. so egypt's influence is more limited and that's where qatar's influence can be important awe there's been some kind of rivalry between the qataris and the turks on one side and the egyptians on the other. i think that's pretty much sorted itself out. secretary kerry has played a hand in that. the qataris are supporting the egyptian initiative now which is for an immediate cease-fire and then a negotiation of the requirements that hamas is demanding for opening the passages allowing movement of goods and people and those kinds of requirements. so the prior is hamas is saying we have to have agreement on all of those things first essentially what they call opening the siege and lifting the passages before the cease-fire and the egyptians are saying no, let's have the cease-fire and we will then negotiate all of that. the art of kerry's diplomacy here is to try to bridge the gap between those two positions. >> rose: why does hamas keep firing the rockets at israel? >> very good question.

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members of hamas perpetratedui7.ot just a run of the mill organization they're a genocide organization. they call for the murders of jews worldwide. the leader of hamasz24/48 hoursw what it's b it shouldn't changed and hamas has to be confronted. >> rose: what kinds of options does israel have that it might use going forward. >> well listen, i will leave it to the decision measures in jerusalem with all due respect to the israeli ambassador in washington. those decisions are made in jerusalem. we had security cabinet meetings. he'll take the actiobare necesso justice, and also to do what's necessary to defepí+population. you'll recall a year and-a-half ago israel had to engage in a wider action in gaza. we did that because we were getting rockets, hundreds of rockets fired on our cities every couple weeks and the prime minister had to draw a line saying this was unacceptable. he took action in gaza didn't solveone of the yetest periods m gaza. obviously the people in gaza, hamas believe these types of actions are acc

hamas has gained in that respect. over the last two weeks, we have seen growing sentiment in support of hamas's position. of hamas? the future what are they hoping to do? what is their future? >> their future is certainly difficult in the sense that israel is not willing to reconsider out itself to hamas theg a dominant player in palestinian scene. that is why when hamas and the faction of palestinian president bbad announce a unity government, they were opposed to that. how to normalize hamas or bring them into the political process? that has been the big elephant in the room for such a long time , that even when you have a u.s. sponsored peace negotiation, those are done with m mahmoud abbas. according to the u.s., they are a terrorist organization as well as to israel. the other option would be to eradicate hamas. we have seen time and again that that is not really possible. inas is deeply embedded palestinian society in terms of social services, parallel , and they have mass support. not a majority necessarily, bu

even though this was all given to the hamas to the arabs the arabs goal is this will struction no hamas missiles there be no israeli retaliation i wish that mr blumenthal would start telling the truth and stop lying and lying and lying more defending him that she liked and that she like organization the course for the murder of every jew that includes max blumenthal and his family. coming up all future the second half of the debate between max blumenthal and morton klein said. and i don't know how it works like. the crap. like. i've been aren't higher but isn't this great by a bunch. like. as in there's more than just the one. i'm the read and i'm fighting here one. hundred. welcome back to the show and now more of the debate between max blumenthal author of the lie of life and loathing in greater is going on more than klein the president of the zionist organization of america. i've heard a lot of a lot of heated rhetoric coming from the israeli establishment too and considering that gaza is completely closed off the people have nowhere to go don't you think that the way that this campa

. >>> issue one, israel versus hamas. secretary of state john kerry is trying to broker a cease- fire to halt the two and a half weeks of fighting between israel and hamas, the palestinian movement that controls the gaza strip. the violence began on june 12 when three israely teenagers were kidnapped and murdered, presumably by politics. on july 2nd, the body of a palestinian youth burned to death in an alleged riprizal killing was discovered outside of jerusalem. riots broke out, hamas rockets fired into israely -- for 10 days, israel used air strikes to try to stop the rocket attacks. aimed at clearing gaza of the rockets and tunnel networsham uses to bombard israel. so far, some palestinian and the israelis have been killed. as of friday, some 800 palestinians have been killed and 37 israelis. the number includes many civilians. what does hamas want from a cease-fire and what does israel want from a cease-fire? >> what hamas wants is a lifting of what they call the siege. they want an end to the blockade. they want to

no friends of hamas in that room.ng significant successes in that room are very, very minimal. so they're holding out. they continue to fire. i think as israeli pressure continues to mount on hamas, maybe we'll have some way to negotiate. >> you spent the last few years as the israeli ambassador to the united states. some disturbing reports coming out. israeli police. on extremism among israeli jews. we saw some real brutality against the young palestinian, young palestinian cousin. what's going on here? israel? explain some of this extremism. because it's really, really ugly. >> it is indeed ugly. what's occurred here is years of terrorist rocket fire. we're in jerusalem here. right below us there were two major bus bombings during what the palestinians called the second intefadeh less than a decade ago. all of this has had a continuing corosive effect on israeli society. people get fed up and become more radicalized. >> the way the police report described the brutality in killing the young palestinian. they waited a

he's not in hamas.olitical leaders in hamas they might be willing to go along with a cease-fire, presumably supported by egypt, but the military wing that's actually doing the fighting, launching the missiles, doing the infiltration through the tunnels and islamic jihad, they're not yet ready to accept a cease-fire, is that right? >> we, i don't know about islamic jihad. there's at leetch tast the possy there's an internal division and the lack of ability for a single message i think is a sign of that. i think the situation is also very fluid. it may be a question of timing. it may be a question of posturing. i think we'll know more as far as the status of this cease-fire proposal and in the, you know, hours that -- ahead. but it's very hard to say now. i'm just putting forward a theory that it's -- it likely points to this internal rift within hamas. >> so there's a serious rift within hamas. by the way, we're hear in jerusalem, hearing in jerusalem sirens go off, i think i heard an iron dome go off as

i get for hamas it is rocket science. very deadly rocket science. >> rose: in warfare there's always i hate the term collateral damage. four young palestinian boys were killed wednesday when two explosions hit a beach where they were playing 2e fishing port of gaza status and witnesses say the cause was an israeli port awe 25bg was considered safe from the bombing campaign of the past nine days. >> look, i don't know the specifics of the case. i assure you charlie israel did not target those children. we call off operations all the time when we are see sometimes we see it from our surveillance, we see children civilians coming into harm's way we call off operations. so i don't know the spoisksz that case. i do know that israel has conducted more than i think more than 1500 strikes into gaza. it's a densely populated area. we have not been perfect. no military has been perfect. even if 1% of those strikes go wrong, if 15 of those 1500 attacks go wrong then you can have these unintended tragedies. the question is what does

it was violated by hamas. three cease-fire all violated by hamas. next time we will be very cautious and careful before we consider another proposal. meanwhile, we have to defend our people. they leave us with no alternative. they're launching hundreds of rockets every day to our cities and towns. and like nel country like any democratic government, we have to protect our people and to fight and to strike back. >> because you know israel's going to come under increasing international pressure not only from the u.n., the europeans but even from the united states from the obama administration to accept some sort of cease-fire. how much longer do you think israel can go on without a cease-fire? >> well, you know, if they're shooting at you, if they're attacking you, if they're cume lating thousands and thousands of rockets in an area that was supposed to be totally demirtrized, let's not forget, people tend to forget, israel withdraw from gaza. and under clear palestinian commitments that gaza will remain demillerrized forever come what may. instead, t

to disarm hamas.do you do that? do you round up every man between ages of 12 and 62? how do you? >> you find the rockets. >> we have to end the occupation. >> how do you have peace with a group that wants to obliterate you? >> we made peace with germany. japan. >> japan, we made friends with japan. you make peace out of your enemies. >> these people do not -- >> we have to put -- >> these ignorant stars don't want peace you had 100 spanish stars wrote an open letter accusing israel of genocide. we ought to be afraid about what is going on in europe. >> everything is backwards if you don't have moral clarity that israel has right to defend itself, i think the world is screwed up. >> and continuing to -- >> 15 seconds is here to stay. >> i would die for israel. >> can you imagine those jewish children killed? >> they're trying to kill them. >> what is horrible? >> to go now? >> 3,000 rockets were fired into america, you'd be leading the charge. you'd be leading the charge. >> i would die for israel. isr

hamas said no. in saying no, i think they showed the world exactly who they are. they are a very extreme violent terrorist organization that isn't interested in trying to find a cease-fire or a solution. they are committed to violent jihad. as such, they're the enemies of not only israel but of the civilian population of gaza. >> so the diplomatic option as far as a cease-fire is concerned, has that gone away? >> hamas closed the door. >> can it be reopened? >> i don't know. it would depend a lot on what happens at the moment. we've got missiles raining down on israel. we had a civilian killed today. we had 1,000 missiles over the last few days. it's got to end. the israeli military is now acting against hamas, against hamas's military machine to protect our people. >> what about efforts to revive this cease fire? i nomah mud abba bass, the palestinian authority president is going to be going to egypt talking to the egyptian leadership. i don't know if the u.s. is involved. secretary kerry was going

hamas blames israel. the idf put out a statement saying this was an errant hamas rocket that hit those facilities earlier today, but there will be forensic evidence and a full investigation, i'm sure, will go forward and eventually we'll learn who was responsible for that attack. all right, guys, thanks very much. ian lee, karl penhaul, reporting. >>> now to a cnn exclusive that we have for you. i want to take you 45 feet underground, inside an elaborate hamas tunnel that was running from hun yunis in gaza to southern israel. israel says its main goal is to destroy these tunnels used to smuggle weapons, launch attacks. here's our entry into the tunnel, watch this. >> let's go. no, i'm not scared. all right. all right. all right. okay. all right. ah, i guess the tunnel was built for relatively short people because if you stand up, you're going to hit your head. i'm not that tall. but you see, it's pretty -- pretty secure, this concrete. they spent a lot of effort building this tunnel. and they say it's 14

hamas. they are pretty much isolated now and they do not have egypt on their side as they did in orsi was around and worked out a cease-fire with clinton. he had a lot of influence with hamas. he was like a big brother. and the regime that he runs is against the muslim brotherhood, as we know from other circumstances, and is against hamas. they have been choking hamas and have cut off all the tunnels that have provided smuggling routes for hamas. it is more limited and that is r's influence can be more important. there is a rivalry between the qataris and the turks. that has sorted itself out. they are supporting the egyptian initiative and an immediate cease-fire. negotiation of the requirements that hamas is demanding. opening the passages and allowing more goods and people. those kind of requirements. moment, ist the saying that we have to have agreement on all of those things first. essentially, lifting the siege and opening the passages. saying, let'sare have a cease-fire and we will ne

on june 30s, the israeli teens were found dead. >> hamas is responsible, hamas will pay, hamas will continuee in the killings, israelis arrested hundreds of palestinians, and launched air strikes in gaza. days later, a 16-year-old palestinian boy was burned alive, an apparent victim of revenge for the dead israeli teens. >> they called the arabs models, and vice versa, and there was a human empathy and understanding on both sides. >> reporter: then a video showing his american cousin brutally beaten by israeli police. >> translator: the israeli government today is responsible for all that happens. >> reporter: riots and clashes rocked the west bank and jerusalem. hamas rockets flying into israel were met by more israeli air strikes. >> translator: we are in the middle a battle. >> reporter: how does the battle end? >> when there's lots of destruction and lots of dead people, at some point everyone will lift up their hands and cry uncle. someone will broker a cease-fire. the question right now is who? >> reporter: brokers to end the cycle of violence are in short supply. and former egyptian p

what does hamas snai hamas tells the palestinians, stay there. mr.president, picture that for a second. israel is warning civilians clear the area because we're going to take out the rockets. we're going to take out the tunnels. and the response from hamas is, no stay there. why? because what they want to see is palestinian children, palestinian women killed so they can put the pictures on the sunday night news, because they know the world many at the united nations many in the media will behave like useful idiots will point to the civilian casualties, that are hamas' fault -- when you put children on top of rockets when you tell the children do not leave, when you know the rockets are going to be taken out, it is hamas, the terrorists, who are responsible for those children's death. but yet the international community puts the pictures on the evening news and blames the nation of israel. i am a i'm proud this week to have joined my colleague senator gillibrand from new york in filing bipartisan resolution in this body condemning hamas' use of human

along with hamas rockets and tunnels, israel is also targeting hamas leaders. this is all that's left of the home of ismail hay -- haniya. it was once a four-story building. it's been reduced to rubble. no one was home at the time of the air strike but the message is clear. as for the power plant here in gaza, palestinians say that they can't even get close to try to repair it because the ongoing fighting in that part of gaza. we were up there and you can still hear the israeli tanks are firing. this was a few hours ago and they continue to shell the area around the power plant. >> so hundreds of thousands of people have no electricity, there's raw sewage going into the sea. why doesn't hamas abide by the cease-fire for the sake of its own people? >> look, this is a situation, these sides are both dug in. for hamas, they are determined that they will fight this war on their own terms. they say they will not stop fighting when the israelis ask them to stop fighting. fact we can still hear now what sounds like artillery coming so maybe this brief humanitarian win

hamas says it's a war crime. tell us what happened. >> reporter: what we understand is that this happened at about 4:00 in the afternoon, but before i get to that, wolf, we're hearing that more phone calls have been received by those areas that had received phone calls from the israeli military yesterday ordering them to leave those neighborhoods and go to gaza city because shelling was a growing possibility there, but as these four boys found out, even gaza city is not safe. they were killed on the beach wednesday afternoon when the israeli military targeted gaza's harbor. the four boyses,is mail, zakaria, ahmed and mohammed were cousins from the extended family ranging in age from 9 to 11. they were rushed to gaza city's shiva hospital, but it was too late. a spokesman says theis dent is being carefully investigated and that preliminary results indicate, quote, the target of the strike was hamas terrorist operatives, end quote. in just over an hour after their death, hundreds turned out for their funeral. behin

she didn't ask hamas to support because hamas is supporting here on the ground. she didn't talk about hamas because she knows what hamas is doing for her and her own people and for the palestinians in gaza. how hasms are protect -- how hamas is protecting and trying to protect the palestinian people. she was asking for who they did nothing for them. she was to protect the palestinians. i can't say nothing, i can say just only i support what she is saying. we need, we need to deal with what is happening, on a new base. not only the needs of israel. we have to have an answer, as palestinians, what about our needs? our security? our life, our protect? those are the big -- our protection, those are the big questions that are supposed ton answer. not just the safety of israel, israel is violating every disagreement. israel is threatening the palestinian life. if the ceasefire and the lift of the siege can be the first step to make an end of the occupation that will be a good step. >> but of course the israelis will say the problems will be the rockets that go into isr

when i talk to the people in hamas they say the same thing about the people in gaza supporting what hamas is doing. >> well, that's not true. because hamas just has to execute people in gaza who were challenging their rule. i don't know if it has been widely reported in the press. but the people in gasa, i think, there is a lot of anecdotal evidence. i don't know how they conduct polls in gaza that they are fed up with hamas because they know they are not achieving anything. i'm sure there are many people in gaza, obviously. they're not great designists and when are you foyting a war and being hit in a war, no one is going look towards israel and say they support israel. i think they understand that hamas is taking them down the wrong path. the difference, charlie s that the people of gaza can't speak out any more than the people of iran who dislike their regime can go out and speak out. because these are brutal regimes that crush all descent. hamas executed people who spoke against them because they don't want a situation where they're facing the rage of the people of gaza. >> rose: how

hamas blamed israel, israel blamed hamas. it's not clear. and really finding out who launched the rocket at this point is just simply too dangerous because the fighting is so intense right now. now, also hamas has infiltrated into israel earlier tonight. at least four hamas fighters used the tunnels sneaking into israel, engaging with israeli troops. we don't know how many israeli troops were injured or killed, but we understand there were casualties but we also understand at least one hamas fighter was killed during the fighting. israel is focusing on these tunnels. they say they have destroyed about 60% of the tunnels and they're going to get to about 20% more in the next day or so. that has been a key objective of the israeli military here in gaza for the past week or so. now, hamas is saying that they are simply not going to give up until this blockade is lifted around gaza. while israel is insisting the fighting will go on until the rockets are silenced and those tunnels are all destroyed. and what we are seeing and hearing right now, s

hamas said, no. hamas continued rocketing israel. about 80 rockets fired at israel today. in fact, two minutes ago just while getting ready to go on on air, there was a rocket and intercepted by an iron dome missile. the hamas continuing the fire at israel. israel then waited for about six hours. they gave about -- time of about six hours waiting for hamas rockets to stop being fired. hoping that maybe it was just the last gasp effort by hamas before agreeing to a ceasefire. when it was clear hamas would not agree and increasing the rate of rocket fire, israel after six hours gave the order to the army and the air force to begin their operation. we'll have to wait and see what it means. does that mean more intense bombardment of air and sea or a ground invasion? that's the question here today. >> what about the public opinion in israel? because so far, this hasn't worked militarily. they have not been managed to wipe out the rocket fire coming from gaza. how was the divided between stronger or halting? >> reporter: i would say there's -- from the people -- many people i ha

hamas waffled on the u.n. call for a humanitarian pause saying if israel's operations continued in gaza, they will not agree. why not agree to a ceasefire, then deal with negotiations over the blockade, instead of continuing to see civilians dying. >> you hit on it. >> if the operations continue. we are witnessing now an escalation in israeli action and aggression across the gaza strip. we have seen a massive heal. children in a -- hole. children killed, united nations facilities destroyed with civilians inside. the catastrophic death toll. really we need to turn our perspective to what israel is doing in terms of the acts of aggression, and its inability to accept an attempt at a ceasefire that would bring about a comprehensive solution for this prop -- problem. >> that's easier said than done. israel fired rockets, including when there's minor pauses. there was a possibility of having stopped all this. there was a ceasefire proposed before israel went in with ground forces. hamas had a chance to stop this. >

talking to hamas. >> right.s going to change its character fundamentally. at the same time, the mission is aimed at proving to hamas that they will achieve none of their objectives by continuing their violence. so it's not as if they think hamas is going to change its stripes. but they want to convince hamas that they have to stop what they're doing and move toward a political role. in other words, they can be an unhelpful part of the palestinian coalition where they have some power. this is all wrapped into the growing septemb ining sentimentd i know you spoke to former israeli president shimon peres recently that this has to end somehow. that the ongoing mission is having diminishing returns. and the israeli government, including benjamin netanyahu, are looking for a path out of this. and what does that path look like? in the last cease-fire which was largely as a tie-in, netanyahu did not achieve his main goal. so he has to find a way to declare victory so that the israeli public can feel confident that their

how many children has hamas killed? zero, the anchor says. how many women has hamas killed? zero.any children have israel killed? over 400. how many did they hit? thousands. saying later, all of the martyrs are civilians. all of them. ♪ al aqsa began to broadcast in gaza in 2006 shortly after hamas won a landslide victory in palestinian elections. in 2007, they garnered international scrutiny with this children's program featuring a mickey mouse like character named farfor. who was killed by an israeli interrogator. beyond the clear hamas propaganda, al aqsa tv also broadcasts from the field. they're often the first on the scene of air strikes broadcasting some of the most searing images of the conflict. israelis say these are themselves propaganda, an effort by hamas to garner sympathy around the world. and part of the reason israel targeted al aqsa's headquarters, saying in part al aqsa was used to, quote, incite palestinians against israel and to transmit orders and messages to hamas operatives. we want to look closer at the lens the palestinians see themselveses through the re

their problem is hamas.ist extremist movement that rules gaza with an iron fist that stamped out our freedom. no independent press, no independent trade unions. in a woman dresses immodesty, she can be beaten up. bloggers get arrested in the middle of the night. we pulled out of gaza. people forget this. we pulled out of gaza. we took down the settlements. the settlers who didn't want to leave, we told them they had to. we hoped following our pullout of gaza we'd have a different relationship with gaza, one based on peace and cooperation. we signed an agreement through the united states, the access and movement agreement. there would be border crossings, there'd be trade, have commerce, tourism, we'd have cooperation. there was every reason for hope when israel pulled out of gaza. there was hope gaza, themselves. what happened? hamas took power in gaza. with its radical and extremism islamist ideology tries to force gazaens to live in an early medievalism with sharia law and so forth. at the same time instea

behind hamas.of people see the ability hamas and jihad to launch missiles at israel, toward israel, while they're being detected so severely by such chong military power has always been an achievement. somebody told me it is not about killings, but a message -- a message that if you expect palestinian's to give up the struggle against the occupation, this is how palestinians understand the launching of missiles. mediatrue international and is really gives a lot of prominence -- israeli gives a lot of prominence. but the feeling one is standing up against israel, and something the palestinian authority has not done. humiliating the palestinian authority for so many years, even though the palestinian authority has made some concessions and agreed with the many demands of the israeli government. people are weighing one against the other. even secular, feel that right now hamas has protected them and saying, no, we're not going to give up the struggle against occupation. us aira hass, can you give rund

we should also say while hamas said they will abide by the cease-fire -- not just hamas but all the palestiniansn gaza, they have said they are committed to it, providing the other party -- israel, sticks to it as well. erin? >> john, is this a sign of weakness or running out of steam on the part of hamas that they would agree to the cease-fire? >> reporter: this is a question. because these two sides have been dug in. hamas said they won't agree to a cease-fire while israeli troops remain in gaza looking for the tunnels. the israelis said they won't agree to a cease-fire if they can't continue to look and destroy the tunnels. so this is the gray area. no one is able to answer this. we put the question to the spokesperson for hamas. he gave one line back. he said this cease-fire is mutual. mutual cease-fire. both parties agree to stop doing what they are doing. that was the implication. he said it's mutual. at this point we just don't know. we are still waiting to hear from the israelis about looking for those tunnels. we are also hearing from people who have been forced to leave their homes in

we do have a statement from hamas saying hamas is on board.ent from the israeli government although the u.s. says they have received assurances from israel that they're on board. sayre wra sidner is in southern israel in ashkelon. there may be a cease-fire going into effect about six hours from now, sara, but clearly it's not in effect right now. >> reporter: you geevtd that right, wolf. as i told you, there was some artillery fire and alerts. we got word 20 minuteses ago there's sirens going off near the prison and south of ben gurion international airport. those rockets, two of them according to the idf landed into the med train ran, but one of them had to be taken out by the iron dome. as you know, those are populated areas. that is what the iron dome is for. but you're talking about a cease-fire that's supposed to be in effect seven hours, six and half hours from now. certainly the pounding is continuing before the cease-fire. every time we see it, usually the heaviest pounding comes before a cease-fire on either side, more rockets coming

israel makes hamas possible.its legitimacy, it gives it its driving force, and it gives it a way through confrontation to separate itself from mahmoud abbas who clearly is not a man of violence that would like a negotiated solution. the israelis on the other hand face a difficult reality, if they want a cease-fire where do they go? they don't go to mahmoud abbas, they go to hamas f. they want their prisoners back, where do they go? they don't go to abbas, they go to hamas and frankly, i suspect that many israelis understand the reality, that hamas's presence in gaza over time is probably a more practical reality for them than a lawless gaza out of control in which any number of jihadi groups operate out of the influence of any party. so in a way, i'm not suggesting that if each had one wish they wouldn't completely wish the other away but they can't do that. and as a consequence, they interact with an another in a way that drives them, frankly, to find a more practical way to reduce conflict and to kk date themse

there were mixed signals from hamas. the international spokesman said initially that they -- that they would agree to a ceasefire and then we heard from a local representative, that there was no such agreement. overnight, they gave some clarification to that. and the clarification really was that hamas would not accept an extension to the ceasefire that permitted israel to continue to do its work of destroying militant tunnels and going after militant rocket launchers. that really, because hamas essentially felt that the ceasefire was lopsided, that it allowed israel to continue to attack his military infrastructure while tying its hands. so far that reason, even after the saturday ceasefire expired 8:00 p.m. local time, within two hours, they'd fired at least 12 rockets towards israel and that was a trend through the night. israel has said, all bets are off, the war is back on, john. >> so the smoke we're seeing now is coming from a neighborhood, you were out there during the humanitarian sceasefire. neighborhoods have

palestinians aren't represented by hamas, i don't believe, and yet they allow hamas to drive the narrative globally and start wars. >> i want to ask yousef a question. is hamas a terrorist organization? >> do i get to actually speak now? >> you get to answer the question. it's a simple yes or no question. is hamas -- >> you invited me on here. sir, you invite ed me on here -- >> i'm asking you a question. is hamas whose charter calls for the destruction of israel, is that a terrorist organization? that's a yes or no question. >> thank you for your question. now i will provide an answer. it's very telling to me -- and should be telling to your viewers as well by the way, that the moment you have a palestinian voice on your program who begins to explain the legitimate grievances of palestinian -- >> answer. answer the question. >> am i guest on your program or am i on a filibuster -- >> answer the question. is hamas a terrorist organization? >> the u.s. considers hamas a terrorist organization. >> i didn't ask what the united states thinks. i asked what you think. >> if you think that we are

hamas is like i.s.i.s. hamas is like al qaeda. hamas is like hezbollah.as is like boko haram. >>> for more, let's go to gaza, and nick schifrin. israel's newspaper is reporting that fighting in gaza eased up on tuesday. is that what you are seeing? >> i suppose that when there are hundreds of air strikes tore drone strikes or artillery or tank strikes on a day, the notion that lighter is rely difficult, giving you an example. in the last couple of hours we saw a building behind me instruct three times. the barrage continues. you see tanks and artillery fire. along the borders. they used tunnels to get into israel. in northern gaza a lot of rockets are fired. f-16s, drones. a real sense. perhaps by the numbers. there are fewer strikes. on the ground it's feeling like a war zone. >> hamas sends rockets in the other direction. >> what is the blow back. >> yes, israel is upset about this. as you said about binyamin netanyahu, binyamin netanyahu asked secretary of state john kerry to rescind the offer. israel is trying to prevent itself as a tourist destinatio

for hamas. but it's clear also that when they started that tact, they did not get net attention to the civilians. we are talking now about 70% of the casualties, mostly killed and injured people, women and children. and the other part is mostly civilians. so we believe in both ways the israelis are attacking the civilians. we want to protect our civilians and it's not our own thing to do that by acting against the israeli attacks towards the civilian people. >> you've heard the criticism of hamas not only from the israel but the united states, the europeans that hamas is launching rockets and missiles random little into israel aiming at civilian targets. what do you say to that? >> everyone knows that hamas is not aiming against the civilians. if hamas wants to aim against the civilians, it would be more easier. all the targets which was declared by the militant wing of hamas was militant targets or semi militant targets. the one who attacked a navy base is not taking the civilians. the one who

. >>> israel versus hamas.secretary of state john kerry is trying to broker a cease fire in the fighting between israel and hamas. it began when three israelis were kidnapped and murdered. then a palestinian you'll burned to death was discovered outside of jerusalem. fighting broke out. hamas rockets fired into the israeli. for ten days, israel used air strikes to attempt to stop the rocket attack. when those failed, the president there ordered a ground defensive aiming on the tunnel networks that hamas uses to bomb israel 700 palestinians and 35 israelis have been killed in the fighting. as of friday, 800 palestinians and 37 israelis have been killed. what does hamas want from a cease fire and what does israel want from a crease fire? >> hamas wants a lifting of what they call a seize they want to open and they would like for their airport opened and they want some kind of reward for losses they have had. the israelis want to decapitate hamas and blow up the tunnels going into israel. >> it has been the israel

egypt is -- >> anti-hamas. antimuslim brother hood. >> egypt and -- the saudis and a lot of the other countries are are allies. >> the saudis have to worry about extremists in their own territories. you can't stamp it out. you have to learn how to work with it and you have to give the people in gaza some means to make a living. you have 80 percent people on food aid. there's a blockade on them. israel likes to talk about how we left gaza, gaza's independent. they're ruling gaza like a colonial power. now we're seeing the blow back and it's transferring over to the west bank and the west bank can ignite. >>> issue two, europe's verdict. coffins bearing the remains of some of the 298 people killed on malaysian air flight 17 began arriving this week in amsterdam in the netherlands, the home of most of the deceased. and debated how to price human life. what kind of financial sanctions to impose on russia. also this week, u.s. intelligence briefed the press. almost 100 people remain missing, presumably still strewn

an israeli official would stand here and tell you because hamas praised the kidnapping, because hamas in general supports kidnapping and would have supported this type of event, both the kidnapping and the murder, that they should be held responsible. however, those in the west bank who had their loved ones separate put in jail and still entire grated would say this doesn't make sense to them. the timing doesn't make sense. we see it as an act of opportunity by israel to crack down on hamas in the west bank which hey have been wanting to do for decades. >> this gets to me one of the grimmest ironies, which is that the people responsible for the initial act of violence that has started this spiral are not -- have not been brought to justice or account, while hundreds of others have tied and hundreds of haves have been imprisoned and now there's a full-fledged war going on. how is the case of people who did this have not been brought to justice? >> right. how did two men potentially three, acting on their own in the west bank, give israeli's incredibly effective security him in and to t

it's about getting hamas to give up, about getting a victory over hamas, not to win over hamas' heartsds. and, you know, wolf, you know, when i was in washington for nearly five years, i saw a lot of war weariness in the united states. americans who had lived through nearly a decade of war in iraq and more in afghanistan, we're tired of war. we've been in a situation of war for 66 years since the moment of our creation. and we don't have an option of being war weary. it's just not an option for us. and we can't bring our troops home because our troops are home and they're fighting on our soil to protect our homes. so, the best thing that can happen now would be if the world and international diplomacy would let us work to secure our safety and to defeat hamas in a way that will send a message not just to hamas but to all the terrorist groups including the terrorist groups that are threatening u.s. embassies in libya and elsewhere in the middle east. >> michael oren is the former israeli ambassador to the united states. he's a cnn middle east analyst. ambassador, thanks very much for jo