there are models like in hamburg, germany, which flourished, grow capacity, top line revenue, marginck the workforce to big time levels. if we can find a way to double capacity which is what robotics can do but not cut the workforce by 50, 80% at that individual facility, i think you have a conversation starting right there. >> here is the question, could you do this without the people? with a meaningful cut in the people? or no? >> in my opinion, no, because you have communities, you have policymakers and politicians who have jumped on this discussion point, making sure that their communities are healthy from an economic standpoint. >> i want the community healthy i'm asking from a pure technical perspective, you know, if elon musk was building a port, would the port have people -- how many people -- how many less people would be in that port? >> from what we've seen so far we've seen terminals automate cut 80% of the workforce on that facility, and the results have been mixed on the west coast thus far. now, you can work longer hours, your cost of unit per throughput becomes cheape