when marina quote of who is a research assistant at hamburg university of technology and she's looked through these leak files. marina, thanks for joining us from amazon. siemens, potentially among other companies that these former employees of this russian from working for. want to start with that. how to serve should we be about this? i don't think you really need to be concerned about that because from any from other institutions which also participate in the cyber patients on the side of pressure. and it's also on the employee for a not quite agreed was when they were doing and they found job somewhere else, including the best and companies. so i wouldn't be wanted to buy those in place because if you think about spice or something like that, those will be much more on speakers person people. what's the most surprising thing that you learned in these files? i guess i have not learned isn't surprising because i've been studying the russians . i book ration for many years since 2015. i investigated several of those attacks and incident response. so for me, it was rather confirmation