friends jerry rap sheet they werehune, close to hamilton jordan. they were officials in the carter administration. mery kept trying to force on this memo from hamilton jordan about this operation, which his , very was doing experimental at that point. i didn't pay any attention. finally, he persuaded me to read it. i came to know hamilton jordan that way. hadn't been very nice to him when he was in office. brian: he was chief of staff to president carter. michael: it is an operation essentially the pacemaker, a a heart pacemaker, they call them brain pacemakers. they send little shocks of electricity into whatever part of the brain they think will help. the operation lasted nine hours, but they put in two of these brain pacemakers. brian: where do they put them michael:? i could show you but i think i won't. they start there, that's where the electricity comes from. neck, they endr up in your brain. they curb the effects of parkinson's, not cure. they have seen various numbers, but supposedly they push the disease back about five years. which is a

if you think back to the rise of people that are now past hamilton jordan and jody powell and bobby kennedy, who was bobby kennedy, he was just the candidates brother and he's in the room when the decision is made as to who should be on the ticket. so now everybody -- we have statutes for these people. somewhere down the road i don't know whether there's a statute for corey lewandowski, but i'm saying when you bring in new people into the system, this is how it's done. people are not -- they're not members of the club and everybody's trying to figure out the risks. >> i think you're right. the risk of a campaign guy heading this up is that they think like i do which is how do i win. how do i win. the problem is this is a governing decision. when clinton picked gore i was involved in it. i didn't want gore and i asked the governor that. i was like why gore. he's the same age, he's the same religion. he interrupted me and he said i might die. i thought this is a different game. i honestly believe that's what president did and president bush. he thought if something happens to me who could run

jerry kept trying to force on me this memo about this operation, from hamilton jordan, which his friend was doing, very experimental at that point. i did not pay any attention. finally, he persuaded me to read it. and hamilton and i got to know each other that way, because i had not been very nice to him in office. brian: he was chief of staff to president carter? michael: yeah. it is in operation where they put to essentially the same thing as -- brian: a pacemaker? michael: yeah, a heart pacemaker, these are called sometimes for short brain pacemakers. they send little shots of electricity into whatever part of the brain they think will help. the operation lasted nine hours but they put in 2 of these brain pacemakers. brian: where? michael: i can show you. i think i won't. brian: on your chest? michael: yes. there's one here, one here. that is where the batteries are. that is where the electricity comes from. and they run up your neck and a they end up in your brain. and they curb the effects of parkinson's. i say curb, not cure. supposedly, they push the disease back by about five ye